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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's one I've been trying to get for a while: Peter Gabriel's "Come Talk to Me." I'm not sure where to even start. Is there a Manu Katché player coming? Sometimes it feels like a samba ...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That song is mostly percussion and not easy to do.
A 'Manu' model is a good possibility in the future but will be focused on drumset performance, not percussion.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Resurrecting this thread, it's been a while !

I would really like to get the parameters right for a Nick Mason style.

I spend a lot of time clicking, selecting and modifying parameters randomly not knowing the drummer's language, I seem to be getting nowhere...

Thanks !
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I spend a lot of time clicking, selecting and modifying parameters randomly not knowing the drummer's language, I seem to be getting nowhere...


This really struck a chord with me! I often find myself in exactly the same predicament, and usually just end up giving up.

Does anyone know of an online (or even print for that matter) resource that discusses drumming nomenclature upon which the Jamstix model is based, and how the different elements interact? That would be something I'd actually be willing to pay for!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tl_webb wrote:
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I spend a lot of time clicking, selecting and modifying parameters randomly not knowing the drummer's language, I seem to be getting nowhere...


This really struck a chord with me! I often find myself in exactly the same predicament, and usually just end up giving up.

Does anyone know of an online (or even print for that matter) resource that discusses drumming nomenclature upon which the Jamstix model is based, and how the different elements interact? That would be something I'd actually be willing to pay for!


I play bass. Years ago I took weekly drum lessons. We did rudiments, sight reading of different beats and fills, and playing covers. I've found some useful lessons on YouTube.

With that said I would also be willing to pay a Jamstix expert to get me up to speed! Maybe we can band together for a web based lesson.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:42 am    Post subject: Zappa's Po-Jama People Reply with quote

I will be playing guitar on Po-Jama People by Frank Zappa at the next King Crimson Camp (https://www.threeofaperfectpair.com/) next Summer. It will be my 6th time down there. Smile

I would like suggestion for Drummer to approximate Chester Thompson (Zappa, Genesis, Phil Collins). I don't think JS Phil would really do the job, right?

Here's the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPi9HYODBjc

It looks the song start around 96 BPM and at the solo it goes at 120 BPM.

I got 100% of Jamstix, all packs and AI.

So if you have any idea or suggestion for drummer and style to use, I'm more than happy to give it a try!

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based upon the Drum chops in the song itself I would start with Dave, Bill & maybe Tony (he's surprising sometimes). I think different models would work better in different sections of that song.
If you're trying to re-create a carbon copy, you are in for a hand editing nightmare and have my heartfelt condolences. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a_zimuth wrote:
I would start with Dave, Bill & maybe Tony (he's surprising sometimes)

Thanks a lot Azimuth for the suggestions! As for the style, I will check further, maybe thing hidden in those JS1 styles...

a_zimuth wrote:

If you're trying to re-create a carbon copy, you are in for a hand editing nightmare and have my heartfelt condolences. Laughing

I wouldn't be able to do that !

I was hoping to find a midi file and let JS interpret it but it's not such a well known song. Maybe I will get another Zappa midi file (to get the complexity) and jam with it.

My other strategy will be to play with phase cancelling and try to remove the solo. Should be 80% possible...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:52 am    Post subject: FZ Reply with quote

I don't know if you have Ableton Live 10 or not,but you could import any wonderful FZ audio song into live,convert it and extract it as a midi file.Then import it into Jamstix.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: FZ Reply with quote

steve b wrote:
I don't know if you have Ableton Live 10 or not,but you could import any wonderful FZ audio song into live,convert it and extract it as a midi file.Then import it into Jamstix.


Is it the "Capture MIDI" feature you're talking about?

Description says:
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Capture MIDI New in Live 10
Recall your best ideas after you’ve played them – Capture MIDI can turn what you played into MIDI clips, without having to think about recording.


I'll try to find exemple on Youtube at lunch.

I don't own Live 10 but I could be willing to buy it if this works. Another option would be Melodyne maybe. Way more pricey to get DNA but I'm the guy that enjoy listenings to MOGG files to mix classic songs. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:20 pm    Post subject: FZ Reply with quote

It's not the capture midi feature Dali ;That is used when you haven't hit the record button ,do an inspirational lick or sequence,realise you've not hit record,and save yourself by using the capture button to get your recording.Anyway.What I mean in live 10 is you can extract harmony, melody or drums from an audio sample and convert it into MIDI.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi just my opinion but converting audio into midi works much better in Melodyne than Abelton live ver 9.

Only done it with guitar and bass tracks but Melo was almost spot on whilst Abelton result needed slot of tweaking
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:54 am    Post subject: FZ Reply with quote

Yes.Ableton makes a good stab at it,but indeed.It does need tweaking.I have melodyne in studio one pro,so I will check it out.
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