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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:39 pm    Post subject: need more fills Reply with quote

just got jamstix, excited by it but a bit confused. many simpler virtual drummer programs I've played with have a general slider for 'fill amount' just like jamstix has a slider for 'accent amount,' but I can't find anything like that in jamstix.

my music is prog rock, so it's not vcvcbvc. it's tons of unpredictable transitions, one over the other, and so I need lots of fills for lots of strange transitions. in fact, I'd be happy if it was mostly fills, and only occasional groove. do I need to go to the song wizard and program it differently somehow? is there any way to just up the amount of fills, and from there I could back them off? as it is, I can't figure out how to get a drummer to do a basic tom roll fill (even when I use phil as drummer!), it's all groove and accents. can't I just add tom rolls somehow?

thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there,

You can create a fill in any bar by highlighting that bar, clicking the trashcan icon to clear the bar, open the "Fill" window and then click the "Compose" button. Adjust the Brain Controls in the "Fill" window until you get something you like. To delete a fill and convert it back into a "Groove" bar, do the same but open the "Groove" window before composing. This program will do anything you want it to do, you've just got to be willing to put the time into tackling the learning curve that comes with such a capable tool. Watch the videos and scour the forums. Not trying to discourage you, just trying to point out that some effort is required. Welcome to the club.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, too add to that, pay attention go the TF and RF knobs to help set the duration of the fill depending on if you are programming a transition fill or a repetition fill.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a_zimuth wrote:
Hi there,

You can create a fill in any bar by highlighting that bar, clicking the trashcan icon to clear the bar, open the "Fill" window and then click the "Compose" button. Adjust the Brain Controls in the "Fill" window until you get something you like. To delete a fill and convert it back into a "Groove" bar, do the same but open the "Groove" window before composing. This program will do anything you want it to do, you've just got to be willing to put the time into tackling the learning curve that comes with such a capable tool. Watch the videos and scour the forums. Not trying to discourage you, just trying to point out that some effort is required. Welcome to the club.


Is there a list of the fills? The auditioning in such a passive fashion (click ... listen. Click... listen ...) can be very frustrating when you have to cycle through all of them because the previous one you just heard is the best one. Or, am I missing something obvious, wouldn't be the first time!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Alexis,

I just let JS do its thing and create a new fill. Usually I find I can dial in what I'm looking for fairly quickly. You can right click the Timeline, Load Bar, C:\Jamstix3\data\fills and choose something. Or you can sit around one day when you have some time to kill and let Jamstix generate a lot of fills and "save fill" in the Fill window so you have them available for future use. Maybe it's just from experience, but like I said, I find it easiest ( and more convincing) to just let Jamstix create the parts I need.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexis: there is no list of fills. Jamstix calculates the drum hits based on the exposed parameters each time you click on "compose". Though there are fills that appear similar, which are like the selected drumers or styles signature fills, the nuances of the performance is a little different each time.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe_S wrote:
Alexis: there is no list of fills. Jamstix calculates the drum hits based on the exposed parameters each time you click on "compose". Though there are fills that appear similar, which are like the selected drumers or styles signature fills, the nuances of the performance is a little different each time.


Yes, thank you Joe_S, now that you explain it that way it's clearly the only way it could be!

What I have noticed is I might like maybe the 2nd fill, but I want to hear more to see if anything better comes along, then I realize the 2nd one was the best, but actually the 5th fill is pretty good too. But I have to wait for JS to cycle around to it again before I can choose it.

Feature request: Ability to copy/paste the 2nd fill to a clip board, and also the 5th one which sounds pretty good, so in the end I can A/B them, or just grab one of them if I'm tired of auditioning fills.

Thanks -
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Alexis,

If you hear something you like, use the "Save Restore Point" option in the Songsheet dropdown. Then if things don't work out, "Load Restore Point".
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a_zimuth wrote:
Hi Alexis,

If you hear something you like, use the "Save Restore Point" option in the Songsheet dropdown. Then if things don't work out, "Load Restore Point".


Sounds good, will try it out, thanks!
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