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Riley
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 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:39 pm Post subject: Exported MIDI files are empty in Live 4.1.1 |
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When I export a midi file after creating a arramgement, when I put the exported file in the Live sequencer..It's completely empty.
Any Ideas...
Thanks, Riley
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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We'll look into it...
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Please try Jamstix 1.01C:
http://rayzoon.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=175
It has a MIDI export fix. Also remember that the export function will export from bar 1 through the bar you are on in the arranger when you click EXPORT. Whatever the bar number is in Jamstix after the export is the last bar exported.
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AntonyR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:16 am Post subject: |
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With version 1.01c, I have found a problem with the midi export following an Audio Jam. On an Audio Jam, followed by a Midi export, only Hats are exported in the midi. After a Midi Jam all midi events are exported, including Snare and Kick, etc Try this.
1) Setup AudioM8, etc to do an Audio Jam and ensure Audio Jam is set and input is good.
2) Load any Rythm that includes Snare and Kick and ensure Arrangement Tab is reset ready to record what is played.
3) Hit play on sequencer and let it jam for a short time, ensuring you can hear kick and snare in the output.
4) Hit stop, and go to the Arrangement Tab page and select the Export Midi button and export the midi to a file.
5) Load this midi file into your sequencer. I have found it only contains hats.
Now repeat as a midi jam, having reset Arrangement Tab. If you have no midi then ensure velocity slider is max to ensure snare and kick. This time I found that the exported midi has all events.
I repeated several time and got same results. Rebooted my PC, started a new project and it is always consistent.
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Hi Anthony,
The problem is the audio-in volume. When you export, Jamstix actually runs through the arrangement from bar 1 to the current bar and if there is no audio input, you will likely only hear hats.
I recommend you record the MIDI out of Jamstix during the jam instead.
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AntonyR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Ralph, I am confused. I understood that when you do a jam, the arrangement tab bars go a brighter colour to indicate that they have been recorded so that Jamstix will play the same again and again, until they are reset.
So if I Jam with Audio and the levels are good - and I get hats, kick and snare being generated and stored in the arrangement tab. And then at the end of the song I stop and export Midi without anything playing at that time (if it was, midi export would get confused as the last bar would keep moving right), what does it actually export after an Audio Jam that is different from a Midi Jam?
I was expecting it to export the events that were saved in each bar in the arrangement tab in midi format. If I do this via a Midi jam, stop, export midi, all events stored in each bar of the arrangement tab are created in midi format. Why is export midi different depending on how each bar in the arrangement tab is generated?
I have looked at the manual and am unclear how Jamstixs routes midi to the host as an alternative. If I have the Enable Midi Output ticked, how do I get the midi to be recorded on a midi track in Cubase SX? Is it sent to Midi Channel 10 by default and I just need to hit record on a track that is midi channel 10 enabled?
Also, this is a little limiting. For example, I've done an audio jam and all is ok apart from a couple of fills that you don't like. So I stop, reset the 2 fills and jam again, this time I get what I want in those fills and all is as I want it. If I play back via Jamstix I get exactly what I want fixed. Now I want to export this so that I can split up the drums - eg. have the hatz from my SC-88, Snare from RMIV and the reset from Halion. Does the midi output to the host get sent everytime Jamstix is played or only when it creates the events in the Arrangement tab.....even more confused.
Please set me straight.
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| AntonyR wrote: | So if I Jam with Audio and the levels are good - and I get hats, kick and snare being generated and stored in the arrangement tab. And then at the end of the song I stop and export Midi without anything playing at that time (if it was, midi export would get confused as the last bar would keep moving right), what does it actually export after an Audio Jam that is different from a Midi Jam?
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It actually plays again quickly from bar 1 through the current bar to create the export. That's why real-time factors outside of Jamstix cannot affect the export. This is rather a tool to get an arrangement quickly out of Jamstix not a full-blown jam, for which recording MIDI-out is the way to go.
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I have looked at the manual and am unclear how Jamstixs routes midi to the host as an alternative. If I have the Enable Midi Output ticked, how do I get the midi to be recorded on a midi track in Cubase SX? Is it sent to Midi Channel 10 by default and I just need to hit record on a track that is midi channel 10 enabled?
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Just add a MIDI track, set Jamstix as the input and record.
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AntonyR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Ralph - I'll give it go. Thanks for your excellent support (as always  )
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AntonyR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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This works a treat. And in some ways is better as I do not need to import midi, and can also record specific section I want.
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Riley
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: Midi out to a new track is the way to go. |
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I don't have version C loaded yet, but I did try recording midi to another track and it seems to work great.
Thanks!
Riley
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red5
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Zauni wrote: | | This is rather a tool to get an arrangement quickly out of Jamstix not a full-blown jam, for which recording MIDI-out is the way to go. |
Ahh, so "Export Midi" doesn't contain all of the midi data that would be generated if I just press play in my host... even in Manual Jam?
This is a problem for Tracktion, because you cannot record MIDI-out from a track natively. I have heard that it is possible using MIDIYoke (3rd party).
Is it possible for Export Midi to export all midi data that "would" or "has" been created on previous play throughs... or are there problems with this approach? |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| red5 wrote: |
Ahh, so "Export Midi" doesn't contain all of the midi data that would be generated if I just press play in my host... even in Manual Jam?
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The problem is not the MIDI data itself, it is the real-time factors outside of Jamstix (Audio-in,MIDI-in,MIDI automation) that are "missing" when Jamstix runs through the export.
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