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[russellkeys]

I am new to this forum and entered this once but think I entered it wrong because I cannot find it posted. My question is I love the demo version of Jamsticks, the rythms sound the closest to me recording a live drummer as any I have ever heard. I want to buy this if I can resovlve one problem I am having. The main way I need to use it is not live jam, but manual jam where I put together drum tracks with drumfills and changing from one rythm to another throughout the song to fit the structrure of songs clients are recording in my studio. My prolbem is I have listened to close to half the rhythms in the program and all the rhythms have way to funky and syncopated beats for the style music most of my clients record. (Country, contemporary gospel, southern rock, etc.) I need mostly 4 on the floor straight rock, country rhythms, with some swing, shuffle and waltz and I could not find even one rhythm that fits these styles. I know I can program in each one of these rhythms myself manually in the program but if am going to have to do that I might as well keep programing them into the drum editor in Cubase SX3. I know i must be missing something, because any drum machine has these types of common rhythms that are used on %80 percent of all commercial music today, and this program is the most advanced drum simulator player I have ever seen. Any help would be greatly appreciated, because I am anxious to buy this program because of how realistic the drum parts sound if I can just find the ones that fit what I need.

Thank You Very Much
May God Bless Your Day
Russell

[Texasspecial]

Try the basic rythms, in maual jam select "Load" and choose "basic" from the row on the left. than choose one of the rythms from the right row. "Rock 1" for example is probably close to what you are looking for.
Be sure to have the "funkiness"and "complexity"slider al the way to the left in the "rythm"tab.

[Ralph [RZ]]

Hi Russell,
What Texas said. The key word 'basic' should give you some of what you need. Also, once you load one of these, it is easy to change it up a bit in the rhythm editor. After all, the rhythms you are mentioning are fairly easy to program and that's why Jamstix doesn't put a lot of emphasis on it.

The BrushPak expansion also adds about 20 rhythms that cover swing, rockabilly, train rhythms, which you may find useful for your tasks.
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[THERAKED1]

Any plans for an expansion pack of rhythms? I know that I can build them myself or buy them from other sources, but it would be nice to have the option. Something like this;

A bunch of new rhythms, in folders by style, in sub-folders by song-sets(intro's, verse's, choruses, bridges), with a couple of variations in each song folder. You could also add a couple of new mappings, and suggest mappings per song folder!

I know that more advanced users wouldn't waste their time or money on something like this, but I'd pay $10-$30 for it, I think that it might be helpful for newer users as well. It might even be a useful selling point.

With your intimate knowledge of the program and drums in general, you could probably put something like this together in no time at all. You could probably even inlist the help of some of the JS's users.

The only reason that I'm even suggesting something like this, is because I'm not a drummer, and I really have no idea what it means to be a drummer, although I've learned much since purchasing this program. In the past, I was using .wav loops, built on the song folder concept, and it was relatively simple for me. I really dig this program and all of it sounds, the only hang-up that I'm actually having, is the rhythms themselves. I even purchased a compilation of midi loops from GrooveMonkee, and they helped a little, except they aren't in song formats either.

I'm only using JS in the manual mode, wanting to create drum tracks from a handful of loops, and then let the program add in its factor. I start with a main loop and almost always come up with a groove, then I have to jump around trying to find the right loops to add to it, usually by the time I find one or two suitable loops, so much time has passed that I've already lost interest.

By now, you must all realize that I'm a total rookie, and a little lazy. Sorry if this sounds like a stupid idea, but I think that it would be really helpful to me and possibly others as well.

I know that you could piece something like this together, probably in just a couple of days, and add it as an option in your storefront, you might make a few extra bucks from lazy slobs like me!
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[Ralph [RZ]]

This is very helpful. Insights like this will help us provide the tools you need. Thanks!
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[THERAKED1]

[Ralph [RZ]]

You'll want to move the snare and tom accents sliders in the rhythm tab all the way left and then, when you load a rhythm, make sure to tick the 'Don't change accent slider positions' box in the rhythm load dialog so they will stay where they are.
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[THERAKED1]

Sweet, thank you! Oh man, I hope that wasn't in the manual. If it was, I'm sorry!
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[THERAKED1]

Ok, I new that I wasn't crazy, what you suggested works when loading rhythms from the library, but I'm mostly importing Groovemonkee loops that I have in a seperate folder. I guess that I could place all of my Gmonkee loops into the library, but I kinda wanted to keep the library as a "stock factory setting". Now that I think of it, I might be better of placing them into the library, that way I could more easily preview them. Is there an easy way to load all of them into the library at once?
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[russellkeys]

First I would like to say thank you to those who took time to respond to my question. People on forums who are willing to take their time and share their hard earned knowledge never cease to amaze me. I hope as I learn this program to be helpful to others. I am now ordering this program because of your help showing me this program will work for me. You were right. Those rhythms are more what I am looking for. But I still agree with theraked. I have played rhythm and lead gtr, piano, and keyboards profesionally for 35 years, but I do not know anything about playing drums. This is why I am interested in a program like this because not understanding how to play drums I am terrible at programing drums in a sequencer. My drum programing sounds very stiff and static. I would be glad to pay extra for a larger bank of rhythms broke up into folders such as rock, country, blues, R&B, ballad, etc. Otherwise like I said your program comes as close to sounding like I have recorded a live drummer as any midi hardware or software I have ever seen, and looking to help my drum tracks I have tried most all of them. Your program is the only thing I have ever seen that takes midi and does not sound like the stiff lifeless way most midi drums usually sound.

[Ralph [RZ]]

We'll keep your needs in mind for the next updates.
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[madmax]

its for me the same, playing a long time piano, but i have no clue to build a nice groovy rythm. a add on pack with more rythms would be very fine, with standards and latin like salsa, rhumba, bossa nova ......

max

[dinoman]

Just to weigh in on this issue:

A. I have often thouht that more rhythm grouped together would be helpful.

B. To be honest, it seems to me that, if rhythms were going to be added to jamstix, they should be just that - added to Jamstix. I personally do not feel that added rhythms warrant an add on pack or a $10 - $30 charge.


Geoff

[ProfRhino]

Since this seems to turn into some kind of poll, here are my personal 2.73 ct :
I'd be more than happy to pay for rhythm expansion packs, preferably grouped as songs a la Groove Monkee or similar.
Could be sold as style paks (my favs: country, blues, rockabilly, classic rock, basic pop latin) or drummer paks (my favs: Jim Keltner, Kenny Aronoff, Stewart Copeland, Richie Hayward, Russ Kunkel, Dave Mattacks, Charlie Watts, song players with groove in general).
Of course you can do all that in JS already, but assuming that most JS buyers are not educated drummers themselves (I must confess I'm only a guitar player ), why not make it easy for us and at the same time collect all our pizza money before we can spend it ?
Might have healthy side effects, too.
Seriously, the possibility of quick song idea sketches added to JS creativity and AI would make for an awesome combination.
But unlike other software I own, JS is already so good that I can easily wait for future developments while having lots of fun with it.
Now JamBassist is a completely different story ...
Cheers, Rhino

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