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bduffy
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Hi, I got intrigued with Jamstix after reading about in on kvraudio.com, and I downloaded the demo and am trying it out. It's pretty amazing! But I have one small problem, not sure if this is a crippled feature or not: the hi-hats seem to choke, no matter what - even straight 8ths in Free Jam mode. Is this normal? I didn't see a setting to turn it off.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Could you take a screenshot of the rhythm tab when this choking occurs and send it to support at rayzoon.com?
We'll be able to tell more from that. Thanks!
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bduffy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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OK, here you go, hope this is enough:
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Got it. What happens here is that you have semi hats selected on the quarters but you also have the 'Eighths' box checked so Jamstix plays closed hats on the eighths between quarters. The closing is the choke. If you'd like to have the semis ring out then simply uncheck the 'Eighths' box.
We are also working on some modifications for the current beta that will improve the choking sound.
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bduffy
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| Zauni wrote: | Got it. What happens here is that you have semi hats selected on the quarters but you also have the 'Eighths' box checked so Jamstix plays closed hats on the eighths between quarters. The closing is the choke. If you'd like to have the semis ring out then simply uncheck the 'Eighths' box.
We are also working on some modifications for the current beta that will improve the choking sound. |
Oh...OK, thanks!...I guess I'm not totally understanding the 8th thing, but I need to dig into the manual and videos a bit more to see what you're doing here. The 8th- and 16th-note sliders only apply to closed hats, then? Where do I adjust the velocity severity of the 8th notes, between down and offbeats?
Thanks for the fast help. This is a most intriguing program! I'm an experienced drum programmer who likes to do everything by hand, and I'm trying to figure out if this would be of use to me, if it will help humanize or streamline workflow. Definitely seeming promising...  |
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bduffy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Forget it! I see how it works again in the tutorial video.
But tell me...how would one do sixteenth-note high hats with semis or strong accents? |
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| bduffy wrote: | The 8th- and 16th-note sliders only apply to closed hats, then?
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Yes, the Eighths and Sixteenths boxes apply to closed only.
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Where do I adjust the velocity severity of the 8th notes, between down and offbeats?
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Right-click and hold on the Eighths box (or any other box) and then slide up or down to adjust the velocity. The color intensity will change to indicate the velocity and there's also a numeric output in the status bar.
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Thanks for the fast help. This is a most intriguing program! I'm an experienced drum programmer who likes to do everything by hand, and I'm trying to figure out if this would be of use to me, if it will help humanize or streamline workflow. Definitely seeming promising... |
Sounds like just like me. The rhythm tab was definitely designed with people like you and me in mind.
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| bduffy wrote: | | But tell me...how would one do sixteenth-note high hats with semis or strong accents? |
You'd check the 'Eighths' and 'Sixteenth' boxes and have 'Closed' on all the quarters. Now adjust the velocities to your liking. The next step is to add semi or open events to the + column (or even the quarter column) as needed.
By the way, in the demo the semis and opens in 16th hats will be choked by the following 16th. The latest full version beta has this fixed.
You can also do a search in the rhythm librayr for the keyword 'fast hats' to find rhythms that have various 16th hat patterns and see how they are done.
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bduffy
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| Zauni wrote: | | bduffy wrote: | | But tell me...how would one do sixteenth-note high hats with semis or strong accents? |
You'd check the 'Eighths' and 'Sixteenth' boxes and have 'Closed' on all the quarters. Now adjust the velocities to your liking. The next step is to add semi or open events to the + column (or even the quarter column) as needed.
By the way, in the demo the semis and opens in 16th hats will be choked by the following 16th. The latest full version beta has this fixed.
You can also do a search in the rhythm librayr for the keyword 'fast hats' to find rhythms that have various 16th hat patterns and see how they are done. |
Well blow me down! I'll check this all out. Unfortunately, lunch is over and it's back to editing voice over for me. I will definitely check it out in depth. Amazing program, great job. Now I get what all the fuss is about!
If I may take another moment of your time: I notice that you can actually load BFD and DFH into Jamstix, is that correct? What VSTi can you do that with? I tend to use Kontakt for drum samples, can I use that with Jamstix? |
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I notice that you can actually load BFD and DFH into Jamstix, is that correct? What VSTi can you do that with? I tend to use Kontakt for drum samples, can I use that with Jamstix? |
Yes, you can load Kontakt into Jamstix, configure it as needed and then save that config as a 'mapping' so the next time you can recall it with just loading the mapping. Jamstix will also save the hosted VSTi data to the song project data.
Simply go to the mapping tab, click "External VSTi" and select the Kontakt DLL. You may get an output warning in which case you need to increase the outputs in the mapping tab and restart Jamstix.
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bduffy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Zauni wrote: | | bduffy wrote: |
I notice that you can actually load BFD and DFH into Jamstix, is that correct? What VSTi can you do that with? I tend to use Kontakt for drum samples, can I use that with Jamstix? |
Yes, you can load Kontakt into Jamstix, configure it as needed and then save that config as a 'mapping' so the next time you can recall it with just loading the mapping. Jamstix will also save the hosted VSTi data to the song project data.
Simply go to the mapping tab, click "External VSTi" and select the Kontakt DLL. You may get an output warning in which case you need to increase the outputs in the mapping tab and restart Jamstix. |
Zauni, that's nuts. Nuts! 
I can't wait to try this out now. I use many outputs in Kontakt, which I bus to groups for paralell compression, etc, and this could be a real time-saver; just load the mapping and go...wow...you just might have another customer on your hands shortly... |
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| bduffy wrote: | | I can't wait to try this out now. I use many outputs in Kontakt, which I bus to groups for paralell compression, etc, and this could be a real time-saver; just load the mapping and go...wow...you just might have another customer on your hands shortly... |
I should mention that there is a drawback to subhosting VSTis with multiple outputs which is slightly higher CPU usage since there are more audio buffers to hand from the host to Jamstix to the hosted VSTi and back. This may not be a concern on your DAW but if it is then you can alternatively route the MIDI output of Jamstix to Kontakt loaded into your host.
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bduffy
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| Zauni wrote: | | bduffy wrote: | | I can't wait to try this out now. I use many outputs in Kontakt, which I bus to groups for paralell compression, etc, and this could be a real time-saver; just load the mapping and go...wow...you just might have another customer on your hands shortly... |
I should mention that there is a drawback to subhosting VSTis with multiple outputs which is slightly higher CPU usage since there are more audio buffers to hand from the host to Jamstix to the hosted VSTi and back. This may not be a concern on your DAW but if it is then you can alternatively route the MIDI output of Jamstix to Kontakt loaded into your host. |
Right, I was wondering about that. MIDI output...I'll try them both, thanks! |
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| bduffy wrote: | | MIDI output...I'll try them both, thanks! |
MIDI output in the demo is limited to bars 1 through 4. Just a heads-up...
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bduffy
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| Zauni wrote: | | bduffy wrote: | | MIDI output...I'll try them both, thanks! |
MIDI output in the demo is limited to bars 1 through 4. Just a heads-up... |
Haven't stopped looping bar 1 yet! I did notice that, though, thanks.
Well, I loaded up Kontakt in Jamstix. Jamstix informed me to change the # of outputs to at least 16 before I could load Kontakt, so I did and I got an Access Violation Error. I started a new comp and it was fine, I loaded Kontakt instantly, and it was no problem assigning Kontakt's Group Outputs to Jamstix's (great job on the wrapper!). I kept expecting all hell to break loose, and it did not. The CPU was fine, hardly more than usual. Wonderful.
The only thing I noticed is this: I was using MIDI input to play Kontakt thru Jamstix, I only programmed a kick and snare so I could experiment with Jamstix doing grace notes and hats. I noticed that the difference in velocity between the downbeats and the lower-velocity offbeats was huge, like down in the 20's, and I could barely hear the grace notes or eighth notes in Kontakt. I tried moving the min/max velocity sliders, but nothing seemed to raise the floor on Jamstix's velocity output; am I missing something there? |
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