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Ralph [RZ] Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject: Poll - Jamstix Player |
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We're thinking about offering a Jamstix player, which would be a 'dumb' sample playback module for the internal Jamstix sounds.
This would be handy for those who like to record/export MIDI from Jamstix and don't need the Jamstix brain from that point on in the project.
It would also be great for those who want to play/program a drum track the traditional way but want to use the Jamstix sounds. The player would have less CPU usage than the full Jamstix.
Finally, the player would be a low-cost drum instrument for people who don't want to buy the full-blown Jamstix. Naturally, all current and future Jamstix owners would get the player for free.
What do you think? _________________ Ralph Zeuner
Rayzoon Technologies LLC
http://www.rayzoon.com
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J van E Jamologist

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 196
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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The idea itself is nice but... imho Jamstix is already 'a low-cost drum instrument'... One of the reason I want to buy it, is because I like the sounds! Compared with DFH or BFD, JS is awfully cheap. And than it comes with a brain too...! I don't know how cheap you want to make the player, but that has to become the bargain of the year.
But the player-idea is still interesting, because when you're done with the drumtrack, you can export it to midi and let that data play through the player which will result in lesser CPU-usage.
It would be handy (come to think of it) if it was possible for JS-owners to 'unload' the brain on the fly, some sort of button that would change JS into the player, so you don't have to manually load or change VST's from within the sequencer which would also require changing the output from all drumtracks to that player by hand and that sort of stuff. If you know what I mean. |
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Ralph [RZ] Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| J van E wrote: | The idea itself is nice but... imho Jamstix is already 'a low-cost drum instrument'...
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Yep, that's why we're just throwing this idea around for now...
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It would be handy (come to think of it) if it was possible for JS-owners to 'unload' the brain on the fly, some sort of button that would change JS into the player, so you don't have to manually load or change VST's from within the sequencer which would also require changing the output from all drumtracks to that player by hand and that sort of stuff. If you know what I mean. |
That's the other thing. Jamstix in 'Manual Jam' with 'Mute Brain' is already a 'Player' of sorts except for the bit of CPU usage involved in synching with the host. _________________ Ralph Zeuner
Rayzoon Technologies LLC
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darcyb62 Jamologist

Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 188
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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The reason I like Jamstix so much is that I don't have to think too much at working with midi to get the sound I want. I tried that and I don't care for it much.
Wouldn't this just become another sample player then? _________________ darcyb62 |
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RichLum Jamologist

Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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I voted not because I personally wouldn't really use it I don't think...
Once I hhave the drums aranged how I want for a song I render them down to wav files so I can mix them with reverb etc.
If I want to free up cpu resources I then disable the jamstix plugin or remove it altogether from the song file in my host.
I guess some people may use it, but I think if you already have Jamstix it won't really add any more functionality...
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Ralph [RZ] Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| darcyb62 wrote: | The reason I like Jamstix so much is that I don't have to think too much at working with midi to get the sound I want. I tried that and I don't care for it much.
Wouldn't this just become another sample player then? |
You're absolutely right but you'd be amazed how many e-mails I get daily about MIDI and Jamstix in this regard. _________________ Ralph Zeuner
Rayzoon Technologies LLC
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Ralph [RZ] Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| RichLum wrote: | Once I hhave the drums aranged how I want for a song I render them down to wav files so I can mix them with reverb etc.
If I want to free up cpu resources I then disable the jamstix plugin or remove it altogether from the song file in my host.
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I agree. I leave it as is all the way through mixdown unless I run into CPU usage issues and then I just freeze JS and use the audio clips it creates. _________________ Ralph Zeuner
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acabreira Grand Master Jam

Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 223
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Although Jamstix is already a low cost player, a lower cost player would be great for those with very limited budget that would like to enter Jamstix world. And I bet everyone that buys the player would be mad until buying the full version..
Other thing is that probably it wouldn´t take too much development time, since all the functions are already in Jamstix, I like the idea, though my personal use is mostly the brain in JS, but the player would help to spread the word around. |
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Ralph [RZ] Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, Adriano, that's basically the logic behind it. A cheap entry-level drug... _________________ Ralph Zeuner
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Marcus2323 Jam Meister

Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 66
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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I would likely stick with JS but would certainly give the player a try. I have a higher end system and CPU issues don't surface much. Would the player be somewhat like SaviHost where you don't need Sonar or any other programs....ie: stand-a-lone?
The idea of using a player to preview midi drum files with your sounds is a great idea too.
I often just start JS with SaviHost and use it to keep a beat for songs I start composing or just want to jam with a buddy.
It gets my vote!!!!  _________________ Marcus2323
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Jamstix 3
Intel Quad Core
Win 8.1 64 bit
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Rockville Jam Meister

Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Posts: 71
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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The player sounds like a great idea especially if you could load and save midi groove files in much the same way as bundles with BFD eg the Groove Monkee stuff. And if you could then arrange them in the arrange window and export them as midi files to the sequencer, and still have the benefit of the real drumsounds of the drumpaks then its a definite winner. If this setup had been available a few months back I would have chosen this over BFD as end the end of the day its down to what sounds best and thats a personal judgement. Some of the BFD kits are poor in my opinion and some are great, and if the Jamsix kits were included with BFD then a lot of BFD users would probably say one or more were their favourites. The bottom line is the above setup would offer more functionality than BFD, have the real drum sounds, be easier on the grey matter, and tempt a lot of hobbyists who would like to replace their GM synth drum sounds with something more up to date but are scared off by the cost of BFD,Superior etc. One review in SOS or whatever and this would sell heaps, oh and the Jam Bass / Jamstix Player Bundle with drumpaks. Order the Ferrari Ralph.  |
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Stevie326 Jammer

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it a fabulous idea.. |
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bvesco Jam Meister

Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 61
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:23 am Post subject: |
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I love the idea, especially if it would allow me to finally use the midi output of Jamstix in SawStudio without having to use Cubase to render it to audio  |
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J van E Jamologist

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 196
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| Zauni wrote: | | J van E wrote: | | It would be handy (come to think of it) if it was possible for JS-owners to 'unload' the brain on the fly, some sort of button that would change JS into the player, so you don't have to manually load or change VST's from within the sequencer which would also require changing the output from all drumtracks to that player by hand and that sort of stuff. If you know what I mean. |
That's the other thing. Jamstix in 'Manual Jam' with 'Mute Brain' is already a 'Player' of sorts except for the bit of CPU usage involved in synching with the host. |
Hm, indeed: that wasn't too clever of me... I really should have thought of this because I'm an expert when it comes to muting brains: my 'handy idea' makes it pretty obvious that in real life I also mute my own brain every now and then...  |
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Jonasc Junior Jammer

Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 17
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:20 am Post subject: |
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I voted yes,
I don't know why anyone would vote no as there is no complications involved, those who wish to use it can go ahead and do so, those who don't can just leave it as it is.
I think it would be a great addition as i personally, like to program myself at times and have tons of drum patterns lying around just waiting for Drumpack #2 to make them come alive
Regards
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