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john4jazz · Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject: Audio M8 operation on Cubase SX

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TonyBy · New To The Jam Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 1

Hi.
I use SX3, (but haven't tried Jamstix - yet) - I joined the forum because I think there is some mis-information here...
(excuse me if, as a newbie in here, I have missed somebody else pointing this out)....

As far as we know, Cubase SX cannot route an audio signal to a VSTi (VST instrument). It assumes that only VST plugins should process audio. This means you can only use MIDI to jam with Jamstix in realtime.

Not true I think...
Three Vsti's that I know of (Z3ta+, NI B4, Minimonsta) allow you to send audio through them (to use their filters etc).
Actually, I think FM7 does too...???
I've done it in SX with Minimonsta and Z3ta....
...so I guess it IS possible - somehow ??

Merlin · Jamologist Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 124

Jamstix has its own clever audio vst wrapper called audiom8.
I can play guitar or bass through m8 and get JAMstix jammin with me!!!!

Do yourself a big favour and buy it........Especially if your using BFD!!!!!!!

acabreira · Grand Master Jam Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 223

johnzed · Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: Jamstix - audio glitches

Hello,

I have found that I get extreme audio corruption when opening Jamstix whilst a sequence is running. I also seem to get this problem if my CPU is near its limit and a noise like increasing feedback results. This appears to be something like the sample being read from the same location multiple times and the increasing feedback may just be a result of the sample being louder for subequent samples. It's sort of a granular sound, it often has a pitch but it is most unpleasant and very loud. Anyone else experience this? Any solutions?

regards,

John
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Ralph [RZ] · Site Admin Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 13332

John, please use the latest beta (X8-15) available here:
http://rayzoon.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=857

It fixes the noise during load operations and also reduces GUI CPU usage.

Let me know if this doesn't help.
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johnzed

Ralph, thanks for the beta version. All the problems have gone away and Jamstix is as good as I could possibly hope for in functionality! I've already completed two tracks to mixing stage and the drums sound better and with less effort than I've ever managed without DAYS of programming. It's like having a drummer - you say 'I want it like that' and the drummer complies and adds his own feel and fills. Just like the old days when we all had bands.
This makes for a fabulous temp drum track, modifications can be made later to the MIDI files and it's all so easy... I'm still a little curious about the feels offered by Jamstix, it appears that a certain amount of groove is added but I was wondering what that might be and how it is implemented. Or does all the great fell simply come from the volume dynamics? I haven't put the MIDI through a monitor yet to confirm or deny the existence of intra-bar movement (apart from the 'in the pocket' knobs) but I would be interested in a way to make this more deterministic - I.E to be able to apply grooves from a MIDI file to ensure an entire song/piece can have a defined temporal shape.
Once more, I LOVE this software - there's a learning curve but once this has been tackled nearly everything makes sense. Looking forward to the interface being tidied up a little (or is this in 1.5?) and even more to Jam Bass.
Thanks Ralph, and thanks for your great support.
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Ralph [RZ] · Site Admin Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 13332

Thanks for your kind words, John!

The only 'groove' (as in slight timing delays) is added if either the pocket controls or the 'timing variance' slider is used. Other than that it will be spot on. Dynamics and velocity variance makes a lot of difference!

The interface will be 'tidied up' in Jamstix 2.
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vstrom · Junior Jammer Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 7

Apologies for asking another really dumb question but I'm having some difficulty in automating JamStix in my Cubase SX1 tracks. Having read other posts on here I've looked for the appropriate automation envelopes but I still can't find any that are JamStix specific (or any that have any effect at all).

If I create an empty MIDI track and route it's output to JamStix the only automation options I get are for Volume, Pan, Mute, Send1-4 Enable, TrackPara On/Off, Insert 1-4 Enable etc. i.e. nothing specific for JamStix.

If I record JamStix output to a MIDI track instead then no automation envelope changes are recorded (as I expected after reading other posts on here). However, when checking the Controller lane in the Piano Roll editor I can see that there is a little activity for Control 41 but it doesn't seem to bear any relationship to anything going on in the JamStix GUI. None of the other contollers have any data (apart from the velocity values of the drum hits changing in reation to my movements on the Velocity slider in JamStix while I was recording).

Is there something obvious I'm missing? Or have I just missed the point entirely and I should just be adjusting the velocity of all the individual hits?

Cheers,
John

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vstrom · Junior Jammer Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 7

Good - that clears up the CC41 thing. I'll leave that alone now Wink

If the settings are there quite plainly in SX2 then I'm guessing this is a new Cubase feature added after SX1. Either that or I really need to clean my contact lenses.

Or maybe just upgrade Cubase, of course...

Cheers,
John

Ralph [RZ] · Site Admin Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 13332

Are you using the demo or full version of Jamstix?

Here's a screenshot that may help:

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vstrom · Junior Jammer Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 7

Full version...and I've never seen anything like that in my version of Cubase so it must be a version thing.

In fact...what IS that? Is that part of the main project window? I can create Folder tracks but I've never seen any with VST Instruments in them - only other plain old MIDI, Audio, Group, Marker, Master Automation or Video tracks.

If I create a MIDI track with both Inputs and Outputs connected to JamStix (just for the purposes of this screenshot, of course) you can see the limited options presented by what I think is the SX1 equivalent of your screenshot:

Looks like it really is time to upgrade.

If anyone has any ideas then please shout but I think I'll have to place a call to get Cubase upgraded.

Cheers,
John

Ralph [RZ] · Site Admin Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 13332

I'm no SX user so I can't speak with authority.

When I add Jamstix to the synth rack in SX2 I get an entry under VST instruments in the same panel where your MIDI track is. That entry has the parameters. If I add a MIDI track like you did then I cannot see the parameters either.
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vstrom · Junior Jammer Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 7

OK - definitely a new feature for SX2 then. Adding things to the synth rack in SX1 doesn't put anything in the main project window.

I'll let you know (just for future reference) if I find anything in SX1 but I think that answers my problem.

Thanks for your help (and for a great product too, obviously Wink

)

Cheers,
John