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DrumPak #2 Demos!
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Ralph [RZ]
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: You must be Reply with quote

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You must be a drummer yourself?

Yes, I am.

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I associate MAPEX drums with a very modern sound, a clean and hi-tech sound.

The sound I like comes from old 'clanky' Ludwig, Gretsch, pearl and premier kits of 50's, 60's and 70's vintage....

You've made this Mapex kit sound JUST like the kits I like... well done.

Well, the Gretsch kit in DP1 is just as 'modern' as the Mapex. The main changes in technology have been in suspension mounts, mass reduction and shell accuracy. All of these mainly lead to a fuller and longer sustain.

The choice of head and the tuning method have a huge impact on the sound of any kit. I spend a lot of time on those aspects.

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Any chance of a drumpack featuring a real 'used/vintage/garage' drumset... one that sounds just like one that the drummer in a local garage band might play?

Well, the 'Jamstix Jam Kit' from the default sounds is such a kit Smile

We are thinking about vintage Vistalite. Personally, I really want to record a high-end maple kit. We'll see how it goes...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:33 pm    Post subject: Jamstix Drumpack #2 snare Reply with quote

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I have just been playing a Jamstix free-jam with the BFD.
Here's what I think:
It's going to be really hard for you to beat the recoding of hi-hats and toms that they have done... their hi-hats and Toms are just so amazing.

So many mikes and the 24 bit rcordings do help the hihats sound real.
And the toms they use are just perfect.

However, in my opinion... with the drumpack #2 I think that you have in fact made a superior snare set than what BFD have done.

To me the sound of the snare is the MOST important element to a tasty sounding kit... and you have NAILED IT!!

I can see myself writing a song with the entire arrangement worked out with the jamstix... then I would 'bounce down the drumpack#2 snare to an audio track... then use the BFD for the rest of the sounds.... but keep that Jamstix #2 snare as the final product!

it sounds THAT good to my ear.
(The kick sound spretty good too)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Bud Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:12 pm    Post subject: also Reply with quote

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I've taken all the demos mp3's through (on disc) to my studio and loaded them into my system (yeah I'm not silly enough to have my recording studio PC hooked up to the internet)

This way I can really hear the difference between the new demos and other sample sets... when all the 'detail' comes out through my studio monitors... the drumpack#2 sound even better!

I did a demo 'shoot-out' with the mp3 demos for Jamstix Drumpack#2 and the new BFD deluxe mp3 demos... well Jamstix Drumpack#2 kicks BFD's butt completely.

Your samples sound as good if not WAY better.

BFD could also do with some good beat programming to match their above average sounds...

There was only one snare from the BFD deluxe set that even I liked at all and of course it sounded REALLY good...
it is on the MP3 demo: BFD Deluxe groove[1] (it's from their website, I'm not risc enough to buy the deluxe set... nor do I have RAM and CPU to 'throw' around...who does?)

I can send it to you as an mp3...

It is very 'buzzy' in a warm and fuzzy way... but is still crisp.... it's a different vibe to what your new (awesome) Mapex samples sound like...

...completely different... but complementary... I'd really use a snare that sounded like 'BFD Deluxe groove[1]'

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Cool! Reply with quote

Zauni wrote:
I simply opened several instances of myself in my host Smile
Resistance is futile...

Laughing Laughing Laughing

As usual, really great work, Ralph!!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:08 am    Post subject: drumpack #2 Reply with quote

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Drumpack #2 sounds excellent - can't wait to buy it.
The problem is with so many new features to keep up with and sounds to try I haven't finished off any recording since I first purchased Jamstix in (I think) April. Although the world is probably not missing much.

Keep up the good work Ralph
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:40 am    Post subject: Info Reply with quote

Just Noticed that I joined in May not April.
Just for information when I bought Jamstix I gradually changed over from Using Logic to Ableton Live and have therefore spent alot of time redoing all (or most) of my previous drum parts which is probably another reason why nothing is finished. I like the keyword search in the rythmns section but was wondering whether there would be any advantage in having subfolders to further organise the mass of rythmns that will eventually build up when using jamstix over a period of time.
BTW Whilst Jamstix seems generally to work OK in Logic I found there are a number of quirks. One is that the arrangement always starts at bar 10: as with anything in Logic it seems to take forever to set the thing up; it was always crashing or freezing for no apparent reason
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:33 am    Post subject: Re: Info Reply with quote

drk1 wrote:
I like the keyword search in the rythmns section but was wondering whether there would be any advantage in having subfolders to further organise the mass of rythmns that will eventually build up when using jamstix over a period of time.

Yes, this is an idea that Doc brought up a while ago and we have it on the list for Jamstix 2.

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BTW Whilst Jamstix seems generally to work OK in Logic I found there are a number of quirks. One is that the arrangement always starts at bar 10: as with anything in Logic it seems to take forever to set the thing up; it was always crashing or freezing for no apparent reason

Since Apple dropped the support for Logic PC, we did the same. You could probably fix the bar 1 issue by using 'BarOffset=9' in the [General] section of the jamstix.ini
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been visiting the Rayzoon website at least once a day now, awaiting the Drum Pak #2. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ralph,

Perhaps it's simple but I have a question for sample rates and resolution. When my projects in Cubase SX are 48 khz and 32 bit, what kind of differences I might have, if I use 16 bit 44.1 khz samples like drum pak 2?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

earthlinger wrote:

Perhaps it's simple but I have a question for sample rates and resolution. When my projects in Cubase SX are 48 khz and 32 bit, what kind of differences I might have, if I use 16 bit 44.1 khz samples like drum pak 2?

If you use 48kHz in the host, Jamstix will up-sample automatically, so it's output will be 48kHz.

The Jamstix output is also always 32-bit even though the sample source is 16-bit. This is the VST standard and ensures the all the adding of samples (Jamstix often plays 25 samples or more simultaneously) does not lead to precision errors.

In other words: all is well...
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