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Jamstix as a "conventional" drum machine?
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Mark A
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:52 pm    Post subject: Jamstix as a "conventional" drum machine? Reply with quote

Greetings from the UK. Potential new user of Jamstix here....

I've followed some of the interest in JS from over at the n-Track forum, and this weekend got round to giving it a go.

So far I've not managed to get JS to do anything sensible, but that's not totally surprising since I've only managed to snatch a few minutes here and there (time is always so short!). Browsing the forum suggests that n-Track and JS has been a bit tricky to get going.

Anyway... a question. Does Jamstix only jam to an audio (recorded or live) track or a midi track? Can it be used like a convential drum machine whereby I can program up some rhythms (2, 4, 8 bars), (or use built-in patterns), arrange them into a song and get Jamstix to play the arrangement with all the nice variations, fills, tweaks etc?... rather than having to have audio for it to jam to?

Yes, I know I should read the manual and spend some more time playing with it etc, but I'm hoping some kind soul will give me a kick start. Or feel free to call me an idiot and point me at another post if this has already been covered.

Or am I missing the point?

Great product BTW.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Jamstix as a "conventional" drum machine? Reply with quote

Mark A wrote:


Anyway... a question. Does Jamstix only jam to an audio (recorded or live) track or a midi track? Can it be used like a convential drum machine whereby I can program up some rhythms (2, 4, 8 bars), (or use built-in patterns), arrange them into a song and get Jamstix to play the arrangement with all the nice variations, fills, tweaks etc?... rather than having to have audio for it to jam to?

Mark


You're right m8, you can program you own beat and lay it out in an arrangment for a song

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mark and welcome to the board!

As Andrew said, you can use Jamstix without the jamming function and load beats from the library into the rhythm tab or even program your own.

You can then arrange up to 16 rhythms in the arranger complete with fills etc. and also use MIDI automation to program specific behavior throughout your song.

Throughout all of this, the 'humanizing' aspects of Jamstix, such as limb assignments, velocity variances and accentuations, stay in effect.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent. Thanks for the super quick replies chaps.

So do I just load up the JS Vsti in my host (n-Track), set the tempo, and hit Play? Any specific settings I should be aware of in Jamstix?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

- load Jamstix
- go to the rhythm tab and either program a beat or load one from the library
- hit Play and Jamstix will play the rhythm in synch with n-Track

The next step is to go to the arranger and add some fills (right-click on a bar to do that) and then to select and arrange more than one rhythm at once.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thankyou, will give it a go.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark,

make sure you have LIVE mode selected in n-Track.

Also you might want to use the effect automation parameters in n-Track to draw envelopes to vary the veloicty and turn power play on and off (and what other automation you want throughout your arrangement).

Then make sure you have the button in the n-Track mixer selected to playback automations.

Also make sure you have Jamstix set to jam to midi (as you are using the midi automation to determine the velocity, powerplay etc.)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rich,

Thanks for the help. I've already got a couple of your posts printed out from the n-Track and Audiominds forums. Ever thought about putting together an n-Track & Jamstix FAQ?

I didn't get a chance to try any of the suggestions last night. I'll see if I can sneak a few minutes this evening.

Thanks all.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

n-Track FAQ would be nice. We have a n-Track thread in the support forum but I'd also love to add a n-Track section to the 'Free Jam Quick Start' guide that comes with Jamstix.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could give it a go... I haven't even had time lately to record or write much though.

Would need to give the latest versions of JS a good workout to make sure I was aware of all the new features etc.

I'm happy to give it a go but can't promise anything and might not get a chance for a few weeks yet...
definitley not this week or this weekend...

I would probably have 2 how-to's
1 to just JS setup and jam to audio using m8
the 2nd to use JS to rrange a drum track for a song by customising rhythms and using the midi automation parameters to control JS.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be great, Rich! We could incorporate it into the docs and give you proper credit.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought I owed everyone the courtesy of an update....

Thanks to your help guys I got it going last night. So far, it's more than I expected.

I'm about 1/2 way through the manual (which is well written btw).

I do have a couple of further questions but I'll save those until I've finished reading the manual incase I can answer them myself.

Gonna have to start saving my pennies now. Just when I thought I had enough "toys".

Cheers guys



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi.... me again.

I looked all over but I can't find a way to Audition/Preview a pattern in the Rhythm Tab as I'm working on it.

Is this possible? Seems (to me) like a very useful thing to be able to do.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark A wrote:

I looked all over but I can't find a way to Audition/Preview a pattern in the Rhythm Tab as I'm working on it.

Just have the host running. Or did I misunderstand?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just have the host running. Or did I misunderstand?


Thanks for the reply. That sort of works but wasn't really what I was getting at. Let me explain some more...

As implied earlier in the thread, I'm trying to use Jamstix more conventially as a drum machine with a "brain".

So, I put together some patterns in the arranger and then hit play on my sequencer and JS plays along nicely. Then let's say I want to tweak the pattern at, say, bar 25. I goto the Rhythm tab, create a new pattern and start changing it. But I can't hear the result of my changes until I hit Play again ...... and I have to wait 25 bars before I can hear the results.

In most pattern based drum sequencers you can play the pattern on it's own, and then, when you're ready, play the Arrangement (song).

I'm maybe trying to use JS for a purpose that it wasn't designed but it seemed sensible to me to be able to preview a pattern (bar) whilst editing it in the Rhythm tab, to hear what my changes will sound like (with or without the brain's variations? I'm not sure).

Perhaps it's an n-Track thing.... but if the host is running, the whole arrangement plays.

Have I explained myself clearly enough?



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