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chip_mcdonald
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 Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:26 am Post subject: Matt Cameron |
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..any obvious way to do the "change subdivision as a fill on an odd beat" thing he does?
Or the "linear poly rhythm shuffle under a 1/8th note hat/ride"?
Or the "rushed double stroke Pat Boone Debbie Boone"?
Or the "dragged open hat over a shuffle plus Copeland-esque triple accents"?
Or the "flammed swung Elvin Jones fill combination"?
.... I know that probably doesn't mean anything. I've tried to get these effects to no avail. If you're making another drummer consider Matt Cameron please. |
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Jae.Thomas
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| sounds cool - do you have examples of this? I can't really help with this but I'm curious |
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chip_mcdonald
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| Jae.Thomas wrote: | | sounds cool - do you have examples of this? I can't really help with this but I'm curious |
Specific parts in specific songs, if I get a chance next weekend... "catching up" fills/parts in "Rusty Cage"(and also "Never the Machine Forever), certain fills in "Fell on Black Days", "Pretty Noose" fill at 2:12, 2:47 (kinda Keith Moon), hats on the verses of "Zero Chance" (and the shuffle on the chorus), "draggy" hats on "Slaves and Bulldozers", kick accents on "Holy Water" (although that is in JS now, but..),
ok, I'll stop for now.
Actually, the way he improvised - which was almost like "doom metal jazz" - live on "Jesus Christ Pose" is sort of a summation...
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well, sorta specific for now.
Obviously I'm a big Matt Cameron fan, and SG fan, so even if I'm doing something that is "guitar fusion" when I hear the drum part it will often have a "Matt Cameron" solution to it that is extremely difficult to come even vaguely close to. It could sort of be an aspect of Brzecki or Keith Moon, but with swing and a Copeland-esque starting beat... |
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Jae.Thomas
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:17 am Post subject: |
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I love this idea and thank you.
I would love a Ghrol model too, it seems he had a certain style of playing which I could benefit from, but Matt Cameron is even more unique stylistically.
Wouldn't mind an overall "90's post punk" drummer, too. Some of those guys were tight and did some interesting things.
Even the Blink drummer, and I hate Blink182. |
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Jae.Thomas
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:18 am Post subject: |
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I LOVE catching up parts.
Offspring Self-esteem has a really interesting groove this way, I think - if that's what you mean |
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chip_mcdonald
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Jae.Thomas wrote: |
I would love a Ghrol model too, it seems he had a certain style of playing which I could benefit from, |
The Drummer feature in Logic X is "very Grohl".
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Wouldn't mind an overall "90's post punk" drummer, too. Some of those guys were tight and did some interesting things.
Even the Blink drummer, and I hate Blink182. |
Travis Barker is good, so it Tre Cool. Not my thing - but they're good. |
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chip_mcdonald
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Jae.Thomas wrote: | I LOVE catching up parts.
Offspring Self-esteem has a really interesting groove this way, I think - if that's what you mean |
Sort of. Cameron does drags, almost decelerando things into little cut time beats, or sometimes does something kinda "disco hat accent but dragged/late" that he usually follows with a (drag ruff ratamacue?)... so many characteristic phrases...
There's the Lar Ulrich "catch up" thing where he reverses at the end of a measure, or offsets an 1/8th note... that might be in the Jamstix metal pack, I don't know (came on today to see if there are/were any Black Friday deals to get the rest of what I don't have, didn't see an email...?) |
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Jae.Thomas
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah I mean I am not a fan of Blink at all (even though I play a couple of their tunes because.. drunk people at bars), but can't deny the drummer...
and yeah I like greenday to an extent and also, their drummer is damned good. I am not 100 percent sure what he would bring to the table as an individual, but thats why a kinda post-punk pack would be cool, just wrap em all up in one package.
And then a grunge pack, but I would want to see individual drummers there, like Ghrol, Cameron, Kretz, maybe the dude from alice in chains (No excuses is a cool ass beat), Chamberlain, etc...
But that does distract from your post and I don't mean for it to - but again, I'd love to see a grunge pack, even if "grunge" is an annoying term and really only nirvana barely qualified (we all know it was actually other folks)...
it would be easily identifiable.
That is really the kind of drumming that I want, and I just kinda adapt the styles on jamstix best I can. |
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chip_mcdonald
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| Jae.Thomas wrote: |
And then a grunge pack, but I would want to see individual drummers there, like Ghrol, Cameron, Kretz, maybe the dude from alice in chains (No excuses is a cool ass beat), Chamberlain, etc... |
Yeah, that would be my list as well. Maybe add Bill Ward. |
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Jae.Thomas
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| Jimmy Chamberlain's snare fills are awesome haha |
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