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Understanding how+when Jamstix composes/changes grooves
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi a_zimuth,
thank you for your response and explanation.

#2) I know it is clear but obviously not for everyone and every day Confused
I´m using JM4 just time to time and yesterday I didn't realize that "TF" in Song area is connected with "FILL" button in Groove tab at all.
If it is possible I would like to suggest you to improve status bar hints for FILL button and TF checkbox with additional information that these two things are connected to each other. Something like
"Show transition fill aspect to the brain (Song area, TF)"
"Click to enable transition fill (Groove area, FILL)"


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The reason that occurs is because presets apply to the entire song part, not just a single bar.

OK, understand. So what options I have if I want to change something just in 4th bar with zero influence to first three bars in my case? Could I ask you for scenario what to do? Thank you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So what options I have if I want to change something just in 4th bar with zero influence to first three bars in my case?

It depends somewhat on what element of the groove you want to affect. The easiest example I can think of would be to affect only the Snare in the last bar.

1) Remove the existing Snare generator element and add 2 Snare Grids via Brain>Add.
2)Right click both the Snare grids' names and add "Priority"
3)Turn the Priority knob fully CW in one grid and fully CCW in the other.
4)Right click the fully CCW Snare Grids' name and set Frequency to "Last Bar".
5)Set the main Snare pattern you want in the CW Snare Grid and the last bar Snare pattern in the CCW Snare Grid.

You may be able to use "Extract From Other Style" and just add a second existing Snare generator from the same style and follow these steps using those also. I have not tried that to see if it works.
EDIT: I just checked, it works.

Priority turned CCW increases priority and CW decreases priority just so you know. Seems backwards to me but that's the way it is. HTH
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you but it doesn't work for me. I have tried your steps with 1 repetition and with 30 repetitions too.
Result is the same - 4th bar still shows two snare "icons" and that icons belongs to first snare grid (CW).
Btw it doesn't matter whether I have Frequency set to Last or Every bar for CCW grid, the snares are still on the same place.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are correct I made a mistake while seeing how you could do what you wanted. What made it work was something I did without thinking because it is how I normally do something. Try this:

1) Add 2 Snare Grids.
2) Right click one of the Grid's names and set Frequency to "Last Bar".
3) In the "Last Bar" Grid, MOUSEWHEEL the active Snare hits' velocity to zero. Just clicking to deactivate them does not work. I'm going to report this because I think it is a bug when using more than one Grid. Clicking to deactivate works with a single Grid.

Forget about the Priority Knob and other associated steps. Sorry for the error., try this and let me know how it works for you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At first, thank you for your effort, I appreciate that!
Unfortunately there is not possible to decrease snare velocity to zero, the lowest value is 10 and it is still audible.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strange it works here. Did you try going into the Kit window and lowering the minimum volume for the Snare to zero in the Velocity Behavior pane?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good point! I have lowered snare volume at the Kit window to zero (it was 25%) and although snare velocity on bar item (Groove window) is still stated at V10 and still can't be lowered, the sound is now OK - snare silence. Hooray, that's what I want to achieve.

So, to summarize how to set 4th bar without snares:
1) Add Snare Grid via Brain>Add.
2) Right click on added Grid's name, set Frequency to "Last Bar" and remove all green dots in its matrix.
3) In the "Last Bar" (4th bar) Grid on Groove window, select snare hits and with mouse wheel set velocity to zero.
4) Go to Kit windows and lower the minimum volume "MIN VOL" for the Snare to zero in the Velocity Behavior panel

Thank you again for your advice!

Let me add one personal note here:
I'm just think that this is a great example how much knowledge and skills are required for a simple task like this. I would probably never find a solution without you in reasonable time and will give up. That's annoying/pity for me because I have bought JM4 for fun (not work) and didn't realize that almost every "simple" customization task will consume so much energy and not only mine, of course. Anyway I'm really grateful for this forum and especially for your and Ralph's advice. So keep going, thank you!


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi filo_01,

I discovered while digging a little deeper on this that you do not even have to remove the existing Snare generator. Just add the Snare Grid and assign it to the last bar and then do your other steps.

I'm glad that I could help you with this, and no thanks are needed. I learn a lot of the things I know about Jamstix by doing exactly this type of thing. This was a perfect example of something I'd never thought of but when you asked about it I was motivated to figure out how it could be done. So now we both know how it can be done. Keep the faith, the more you use Jamstix, the easier it gets. I know that's not an answer to the learning curve but the more you use it the more things make sense and thus ease of use follows suit significantly.

I did report the issues I found with the grids to Ralph but have not heard back from him yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I discovered while digging a little deeper on this that you do not even have to remove the existing Snare generator.

Nice, I have updated my post regarding to this, just for a next generation Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify you do not need to add 2 Snare Grids, only one.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the last bar?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

filo_01 wrote:
For the last bar?


Yes, leave the existing Snare generator as is and add just one Snare Grid and set its' Frequency to "Last Bar". I also heard from Ralph and the grid issues will be addressed.
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