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some hihat sounds not matching SSD5
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Jae.Thomas
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:43 am    Post subject: some hihat sounds not matching SSD5 Reply with quote

Some of the sounds in Jamstix seem to be 1/3 or 1/4 levels of openness whilst slate has them all in 1/5th from what I can see.

is there any way to rectify this? Do we have stuff properly mapped for SSD5 and the ability to reflect that in the note editor?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.dropbox.com/s/axkl89e8p3be4e8/slate%20%284%29.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b0z071g6h9j6u4g/slate%20%285%29.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t181eqg18ochxsk/slate%20%286%29.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6jg34oevqs3fzf3/jamstix%20%281%29.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yr3ja37nvvmfduw/jamstix%20%282%29.jpg?dl=0
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anything on this?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

same with SD3!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what you are seeing. If you think something is mapped incorrectly, can you tell me what sound it is, what you see it mapped at in the JS4 kit editor and what sound you think it should be in SSD5?
Also, keep it mind that Jamstix cannot account for changed keys in SSD or change of a mapping preset in SSD. We map to default.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I. Mean jamstix seems to only map. To. Three hihat levels (closed to open) and ssd and sd3 seems to have at least five
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamstix outputs MIDI CC #4 controller data to control SSD5 hihat opening level. You can watch it by previewing a bar in JS4 with a closed hat while having the "Kit Mapping" window open in SSD5. Turn the 'Open' knob on the hihat note in JS4 and watch as different notes get triggered red in SSD5 through all 5 open stages supported by SSD5.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a slight variant, specific example to what Mr. Merrill is reporting ... specifically

I'm mapping the Rock - Big Kit to SSD5. It looks like Jamstix says the E4 is a 'china 1'. It appears that note is not remapped in going to SSD5 (while many, if not all other kit elements seem to be correctly mapped). As such, the E4 ends up being a 'hand clap' (Clap Studio 10 STR-Clap). I'm thinking it should be a G0 - China R Sbn 19 AAX - China Edge?

Anyway, I get that it's an incredibly complex effort to get this mapping to translate. In that vein, is there a simple way to cross-walk the mapping via the documentation? It looks like it would be painstaking to verify line by line.

Thanks. As I continue to work more with the product, the more I love it. This was my first effort to map to a 3rd party drum kit and I'm wanting to have confidence in that.

Michael
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you load any kit a text file named Keys.txt is generated in the C:\ProgramData\Jamstix4\data folder. I find it helpful to print the file out while mapping a kit.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was able to locate that same file via the Kit menu dropdown, 'Show key map'. That's where I got the info I communicated. However, crosswalking this text file against the 'Mapping' menu in SSD5 would be painstaking.

I'm just looking for recognition that what I'm seeing is indeed a 'mapping error' vs. something I'm doing wrong (which seems unlikely since many keys seem appropriately mapped ... but I'm capable of screwing up some weird stuff). This may be the only error in all of the keymaps ... but it was the first one I tried and that tends to shake your confidence.

Thanks for the reply, though ... I had never been to the data folder. If I could open the '.mdmap' files, that might be of use. I might research that.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W_Michael_F wrote:
If I could open the '.mdmap' files, that might be of use. I might research that.


No research needed Cool

.mdmap files can easily be opened in Wordpad.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W_Michael_F wrote:
I'm mapping the Rock - Big Kit to SSD5. It looks like Jamstix says the E4 is a 'china 1'.

I don't see that. Here is what I do:

- load 'Rock - Big Kit'
- select 'SSD5' in output mapping list (far right list in the kit toolbar)
- click 'China 1' in the kit and it is mapped to #31 (G0 in yamaha mode or G2 in Roland mode)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, although I believe I followed that protocol, I redid my tracks following your instructions and got the same results. Let me describe what I'm seeing without trying to be smarter than I am ... I'm using Cubase 10 (latest update) on W10 (latest update)

I have a 'song' built in Jamstix4 ... have exported the midi track and brought it back into Cubase. The song plays perfectly from both 'normal jam' and 'midi playback' (with the appropriate setting changes in the vst for the different modes).

I followed your instructions and recorded the Jamstix4 output to a midi track (I wasn't sure if saving the midi file and importing to Cubase would work). That midi track is routed to SSD5.

When I open the two midi tracks simultaneously, it's obvious some notes are in different value places (not timing) ... so some remapping has apparently occurred. There is a unique rhythmic pattern that plays on E4 during the song that was apparently not changed via the remapping process. When I play those E4 notes in the Jamstix track, I get something that sounds like a really muted hard hat (not a China ... and, by the way, there is something on the G0 note in the SSD5 track and it does sound like a China). When played in the SSD5 track, it plays a (annoying) hand clap.

So, all I can tell you is the results that I'm getting. Now, just listening by ear, this is the only really annoying 'instrument/sound' difference that stands out ... if there's something more subtle regarding other notes, it doesn't grab me like this one ... and I didn't want to start a note-by-note crosswalk if there was another solution.

Thanks for your help and listening ...

Michael
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael,
Please do a "Save Song" in the song menu of JS4 in this project and send me the file. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I replied to the notification email. It wasn't intuitively obvious how I would attach a file in the forum.

Thanks ...

Michael
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