Rayzoon Technologies LLC

[Ragabhava_]

Hello there,

I am right now experimenting with the free version and am truly impressed by this software, kudos and thanks for such a generous free version to truly demo the product.

However, what I am trying to achieve is to influence the underlying subdivision grid (either in 8ths or in 16ths) with absolute control over each note. What I mean by this : when we apply a swing setting (in 8ths or 16th) it is exactly this subdivision grid which is manipulated. Unfortunately, a swing setting just moves either every second 8th note around (shuffle) or every second 16ths note ("swunk'). This is absolutely standard for many plugins having a 'swing' setting and is enough for most US based music. However, in Brazilian music and many WAfrican styles there are many more subdivision patterns which are very important for getting an authentic feel (for example Samba swing, Maracatu, Gnawa etc.). Here we would need control over the third sixteenth note on every beat or on all three 8ths in 6/8 triplet feel.

Is there any way to achieve this in Jamstix?

If so this would be groundbreaking (not just for Afro centered grooves but also for Hiphop).

I am sorry if this sounds a bit confusing but most percussionists familiar with Brazilian /WAfrican music would probably get what I mean .

thx for any help on that.

[Azimuth]

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You can vary each individual note by up to + or - a 24th where I indicated.

[jas_lan]

There is also the "Timing" dial below that. I think it allows you to adjust in mSec rather than a musical amount. Then, once you get a bar or two (or however many) set how you want it, you can turn those bars into a "Style". Then the drummer will play that with their accents or modifications (which you can turn off if you want).
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[Ragabhava_]

Thanks to both of you for your helpful reply!

I've been toying around with these settings now and this allows indeed for some control over the subdivision grid. In fact this is the first software which I've found which even tries to get down to that level. Whis is quite obvious, as Jamstix wants to simulate a real drummer and microtiming is a quintessential aspect in this regard. This in itself is fantastic but the options given right now (24th/32th/48th or 47 ms) are far too limited to jump out of the US based styles into Afro centric percussion music. But the potential is there and Jamstix is just a small step away from it!

If rayzoon is so inclined I have - being an african percussionist - some very concrete and easy to implement suggestions to make in this regard.

[Azimuth]

The drummer models also add timing variations that vary from model to model. You may find something similar to what you are mentioning. Ralph is very receptive to users suggestions and feature ideas. He's getting ready to go to public beta with the OS X version so he's busier than usual at the moment. I'm sure he would be glad to hear from you. He may also be able to suggest a specific model for what you are seeking. You might also want to check out the Jamcussion Expansion Pak page @ https://www.rayzoon.com/jamcussion.html and check out the audio samples to see if there is anything there for you.

[Ralph [RZ]]

[Ragabhava_]

thx A_Zimuth. I'm more looking for low level control for now.

There are ways in which microtiming is used in afro musics which go beyond Afroamerican music (the only exception being NOLA sensibilities/second line drumming, probably due to the well known strong historical creole/caribbean influence in NOrleans) which I can't find in the program.

The procedural drummers are all great though (having only the free version I've played with only a small selection) and I'm amazed at the musicality of them.

Jamstix is truly behaving like a never fatiguing jamm buddy with deep pockets.

The only other software which comes to my mind would be GrooveAgent, but that is just a pale shadow of Jamstix. Considering the resources Steinberg must have this says a lot about Ralphs dedication, skill and insight to have come this far as a one man company!

Ralph: great, an email has been sent.

[jas_lan]

That’s what those types of rhythms are called! I have heard the term “Second Line Rhythm” before but didn’t really know what it was. So I Googled it and learned something neat today. I really like the way it sounds.
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[Ragabhava_]

I you like second line drumming you will probably dig this as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojM7lJ7ZwOM