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Azimuth
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I guess the wait will be worth it for 99.99978378378378% of users then.

Edit: Make that 99.99978383052313% (new forum member) LOL.


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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply to acdc2000 Reply with quote

I follow all posts in the Jamstix forum and find them to be 99% useful/informative. I always ignore the occasional inane comments such as the latest from acdc2000 however in support of Ralph I feel obliged to say that acdc2000 should be using the inspired power of Jamstix ( in whatever version) to make some music rather than whine about when the next version is going to appear.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ralph [RZ] wrote:
pumafred_ wrote:
BTW, is there an estimated date for the public beta of JS4?

Once the private beta team stops finding significant showstoppers, which they are still doing...thankfully.

Anxiously waiting... Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I feel obliged to say that acdc2000 should be using the inspired power of Jamstix ( in whatever version) to make some music rather than whine about when the next version is going to appear.


can see that lots use jamstix only for rythm create and use other drum software for sound generation. so many see that the weak point is sound and effects in jamstix 3. i want not buy another drum software to have better sounds, so i wait all the years that jamstix get better sounds more effects

in other words, i only need an enhancement of the sound engine. and to enhance the soundengine in jamstix need not so many years. and so my idea is a jamstix 4 with better soundengine first release to avoid buy of other drum software

i also not happy that jamstix have not more drum kits in all the years get. maybe i should sell jamstix, instead of wait more years

some posts about my question. yes its really not so good to have new features. Laughing if need no features than jamstix 1 is enough and need never pay some dollars for new music software.

drum core 4 lite cost only 49$ have 1400 audio loops 800 midi loops, 13 drum kits, can load own drum samples, can layer sounds(2 basedrum or 2 snare for fatter sound) but i see not much audio demos from it how it sound and there is no demo.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main focus of Jamstix has always been the composition of Human sounding drum tracks. There is nothing else that does that as convincingly as Jamstix IMO. If you want an extensive library of extremely detailed sounds, similar to SD2, you will never get that from Jamstix. That is not its main purpose and it already contains the ability to drive those other packages if that is what you need.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but jamstix 4 offer better drum soundengine feature that make it less weak and need for other plugin to play sounds is reduced. so wy not release a jamstix 4 that have better soundengine and later when its done the better drummer algorithmic engine
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

acdc_2000 wrote:
but jamstix 4 offer better drum soundengine feature that make it less weak and need for other plugin to play sounds is reduced. so wy not release a jamstix 4 that have better soundengine and later when its done the better drummer algorithmic engine


I'd imagine the drummer engine itself is far more important to most users, that is the feature that sets this software apart.

If you need better sounds, as you have noted you can get different software and let Jamstix drive it.

You mentioned DrumCore. I haven't used the light version, but I will say the Billy Martin expansion pack is my favorite sampled kit I've ever used. I own Addictive Drums with multiple packs, Superior Drummer, EZ Drummer with a few EZX packs, as well as Session Drummer 3, Drum Core 3, in addition to JamStix.

I haven't figured out the mapping from Jamstix to Drum Core, though so I tend to use Addictive Drums with it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

addictive drums cost lots money. but there it is really not much work to program this important features near all other vsti drum or softsynths have, to avoid buy of additional software. addictive drums sound only so good, because it have the easy to program features effects (tape saturation, impulse player for room, layer ). when have it in jamstix can hear that jamstix sound very good too.

adictive drums use often layering. it is called linking. additional sounds for snare and base drum can trigger together in the flexi slot. it have also 12 kick 7 snare and 55 hz sine builtin called trigger samples. this can add to change the attack. there is demo so maybe ralph try out, how usefull it is. and the tape saturatur which have a buttom knob that give punch even if drive is set to 0 for basedrums or the 55 hz sine to let basedrum sound fuller. it sound also good when a synthetic fat sounding kick is a little add to natural kick. jamstix have also many good synthetic drum sounds. when can mix them, can see how good jamstix really sounds

there are only easy to program features currently miss. in the audio previews of adictive when you switch to edit, you can see how the sound is create. no licnese show the drums you not own.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

addictive drums with jamstix i try out. addictive drums miss bounce and snare roll. i own strike this was sell cheap together with structure xpand some other for 70 Eur. demo of all is available. with strike you can program flames, and it have for a snare drum 3 snare roll, 4 flames, 4 short roll, 2 long roll, snare off center, tom off center. short crash l. short crash r and choke on keyboard and offset key too. they tell it snare roll, but it sound simular to bounce. it also have lots effects to get good sound. maybe i could try do a map for strike. strike trigger with notes on channel 1 the patterns, so there need add a channel remapper tool. i think this can replace js3 sound engine better.

really if jamstix have same edit possibilities as other drum software it sound better, because have more articulations and more drum sounds. I buy jamstix 3 because 4 was announce years ago. and i get answer and i thpought they enhance first the effect weak of jamstix. this is not lots work. good sounding effect code is in public domain.
strike can also load in own samples. but it is only 1 sample possible(in each of the 12 slots it have) so no round robbin or velocitiy layer. you can only load several snare sounds and modify in pattern editor. it is possible in strike to use for each step in pattern editor diffrent tune setting. this let simulate diffrent hits. also in editor are several softwar flame settings. prebeat fastest, prebeat fast, prebeat normal, prebeat slow, prebeat slowest. all settings is for center and post beat available too
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

acdc_2000 wrote:
addictive drums cost lots money. but there it is really not much work to program this important features near all other vsti drum or softsynths have, to avoid buy of additional software. addictive drums sound only so good, because it have the easy to program features effects (tape saturation, impulse player for room, layer ). when have it in jamstix can hear that jamstix sound very good too.

adictive drums use often layering. it is called linking. additional sounds for snare and base drum can trigger together in the flexi slot. it have also 12 kick 7 snare and 55 hz sine builtin called trigger samples. this can add to change the attack. there is demo so maybe ralph try out, how usefull it is. and the tape saturatur which have a buttom knob that give punch even if drive is set to 0 for basedrums or the 55 hz sine to let basedrum sound fuller. it sound also good when a synthetic fat sounding kick is a little add to natural kick. jamstix have also many good synthetic drum sounds. when can mix them, can see how good jamstix really sounds

there are only easy to program features currently miss. in the audio previews of adictive when you switch to edit, you can see how the sound is create. no licnese show the drums you not own.


I paid more for Jamstix than I did for AD2.

I really don't see what you expect from Jamstix. I read your posts and get the feeling you are really just looking for jamstix to provide plugins (compressors, eqs, etc) to manipulate the existing sounds. Plugins that do these things are a dime a dozen, even free. Why not try some instead of complaining about Jamstix lacking in this area?
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is lots more work to try with the thousands of VST are out than have such effects buitlin. and when jamstix 4 then come this is obsolete because i can maybe do builtin. so my suggestion is to release first a jamstixs 4 that have the better effects, and user can more easy and faster create better sounds. I understand that the algorithmik composer cost lots time to program. but a audio engine enhance with more effects is not much work.

effects builtin are the reason wy most known as good drum software and samplers have effects builtin. and if jamstix have such effects then addictive drums is less need. jamstix seem have more drums as the 600$ version of addictive drums. as far i see 1 pack for 89 Eur have only 1 base drum and 2 snare drums. or is this wrong ?. now can count how much drums jamstix have.

you can try out remove all effects in a addictive drum preset and it sound not better as jamstix anymore.

since jamsticks 3 snares new articulation of offset and bounce was add. i use this in some songs. not all snares in jamstix support that. so my wish for more sound expansion pack. addictive drums have no snare bounce and offset. the price of a jamstix expansion pack is not so high as the addictive drums pack. for me the sound of raw drum samples is good enough and that addictive drums is so famouse and popular is clear for me, because of the effects most sounds in addictive drums use.
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I request that we keep this thread for actual information about Jamstix, and not a discussion about one user's specifc preferences?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhythmicallyChallenged wrote:
Can I request that we keep this thread for actual information about Jamstix, and not a discussion about one user's specifc preferences?


Yes, that does seem to be a very reasonable request at this point.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:14 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
The first Private Beta was sent out on 12/30/16, definitely not 14 months ago. That sounds more like the internal Beta, which had no testers outside of Rayzoon. The current private Beta actually includes several users from this forum. Barring unforeseen issues, we hope to go public Beta within 6-8 weeks


What really makes it kind of hard to stay calm is that weaks become month, month become years, years become decades.....very rare info about what is going on and WHY things dont happen as announced.....I really must admit that is outstanding and one of a kine jamstix is as "unique" is this "progress" in devellopment where weaks become years.....More a statement then a critic, I think if you just love this thing (like I do Smile)) and take this genius you have to live with the "dark side" maybe Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

acdc_2000: Please keep your posts regarding Addictive Drums over in the Support forum where you have started a thread regarding them. Thank you.
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