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[greenstratman]

hi

loving jamsticks. wish i'd never visited toontrack web page!! now neeeeeeed dfhs. can't really afford it though!

so how many are happy with the default sounds? if not what are you using for your sounds??


thanks


kevin

[Doc]

I´m VERY happy with the default sounds, especially for jamming.
When it comes to finishing a song I switch over to DKFHS though.

[opcode]

I use the internal sounds for quick tests only.

My favourite drums at the moment are the Wizoo MiXtended drum kits. Very realistic-sounding kits with a natural room feel (overhead, dry and ambient samples can be mixed as needed). They're ideal for the kind of music I make (indie rock); and I got them for 50 Euros. Now that I have them set up the way I want (a bit of tweaking was necessary), I no longer feel the need to buy DFH superior.
You can find some samples here

cheers!
opcode

[AntonyR]

I have dfhS and RMIV and the last 2 songs I have done I have used the jamstix standard drums. I do not rate them any less or more than dfhS and RM IV, it just depends on what snare, etc fits with the song. My personal view is that if Jamstix has a few more kits available (even just a few more snares and kicks) then most people wouldn't need to spend money on dfhS, etc, unless they wanted something very specific.
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[timmyo]

I have been using the default drums and liking them more and more.

I mocked up a backing track of 'When the Levee Breaks' last week and had some favourable comments on the drum sound - which when you consider the original is praise indeed ! I only tweaked the default kit by a little and the result sat in the mix really nicely.

[mars]

yes, i reckon you're right: if i had a greater selection of internal snares and kicks (maybe even a couple of hihats) i would never use anything other than the internal sounds -- they're very strong considering you're actually buying it for the brains behind it!

[greenstratman]

cheers chaps

i will just stick with the internal sounds for now. the whole thing is a great package.

i found jamstix from a recommendation on the cubase forum. 8 people recommended it over GA2.

we'll be careful with all this praise, or js2 will very expensive!!

ditto re the snares.

cheers

kevin

[RichLum]

I use the internal sounds too (as I can't justify the purchase of other drum samples).

They sound good enough for my home recording purposes.

A few different snares to choose from would be good though.
And maybe a couple of different cymbals... but mainly the snare

Rich

[Bosse]

[Ralph [RZ]]

[Voltago]

I use the internal sounds (including all the packs) for most songs. For some metal tracks I still prefer addictive drums, but for rock and punk I love jamstix's samples.

[lucky]

I have all additional drumpaks from Rayzoon and I find them actually quite good, especially for that price. Very inspiring, nicely integrated in JS2 and great when jamming. If you are going to create some Jazz oriented stuff, you should definitely check out the brushpak! Together with the unique jazz capabilities of JS2 they create a great supporting track. The electronic samples also provide a refreshing sound for an inspiring jam.

Yes, you might find better sample libraries out there, taking up almost 9GB of data or even more; not to mention the additional stress it puts on your music production system. My general feel is people overemphasize the quality of the sounds. A good musician can create a rocking groove even with a bad instrument, but the contrary is often less likely.

Of course the samples should have some decent quality, but sometimes people are judging the samples while listening only to the dry sounds. But I think it is not very likely that you would use them like that in your productions. It is more likely that you are using them with various other instruments, which probably includes your main and most important instrument, this not likely being the drums.

You can see the same process when people are judging the quality of the pictures they take with digital cameras. They use a photo-editing tool and then zoom into almost pixel level, and start to complain why it is all pixilated and fuzzy!? But when you print a photo you do this at 150 to 300 pixels per inch, while also holding the photo at least 30cm away!

These super hyper 1TB 24bit multi sampled full spectrum killer sounds might not always be what you need when mixing them in your real songs. It wouldn't surprise me that you add a lot of parametric EQ, compression, reverb and multi-band compression afterwards to put your drums better in the mix!

Just some food for thought.

[ProfRhino]

Fwiw, I also have DFHS, C&V, EzDrummer with most EzXs and Battery 3 in addition to JS.
All have their strong points, however what I use 90 % of the time is JS2XL, EzDrummer or a combination of both. Whatever fits the song ...
I almost never use Battery, the concept is cool but the sounds don't do it for me. Useful when I'm checking out MIDIs with full GM drums including percussion. For electronica B3 is fantastic, though.
Soundwise you can't really fault DFHS and C&V, but they require quite some time and effort to make them sound really fine, just like real recordings.
Most of the time I'll gladly sacrifice the last 10% of flexibility for the ease of use and (imho) equally fantastic sound of JS and EzDrummer.
Ymmv,
Rhino

[chardin]

I really like the sounds from JS2 XL. For cheap fun, click the Randomize icon on the Kit screen under the Load button.

[jekyll]

Lately I've been treating the stock drums as I would any kit I've recorded live. Multi out, a little comp, a touch of eq, a little extra room verb on the ambience channel. Sounds mighty good to me.
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