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Junior Jammer
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Hi!
I had a hardisc crash, so my DAW is down at the moment, therefor I have not had a chance to try Jamstix with the new BFD-beta 1.5.
Will Jamstick support this BFD version, also the BFD Ultra plugin (with all it's outputs)??
Thor Mamen
Waiting for a new system disc 
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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We expect Jamstix to work just fine with BFD 1.5. Once it is released, we will make sure of it and issue an update if necessary.
BFD Ultra needs 34 outputs. Jamstix currently supports up to 32. After the release of BFD 1.5 we will most likely release an update to bump this to 34.
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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FYI, we have tested Jamstix here with the BFD 1.5 Beta and it works just fine. We also have tested the BFD Ultra with an updated version of Jamstix with 34 outputs and it works great.
Since BFD 1.5 is now in public beta, we will add the increase to 34 outputs to the next Jamstix beta so you guys can get going.
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andrewwright67
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Great news Ralph
Does this mean we'll be able to have two kits happening at once using just one instance of Jamstix?
For example though, could we create a mapping for Ultra and actually select which snare, kick or whatever for either kit page 1 or 2 of BFD, is controlled by the rhythm page?
Hope you understand what I mean
Maybe in the future their could be 2 rhythm pages with mappings for kit 1 and kit 2 separately, but in the one instance of Jamstix!!
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| andrewwright67 wrote: |
Does this mean we'll be able to have two kits happening at once using just one instance of Jamstix?
For example though, could we create a mapping for Ultra and actually select which snare, kick or whatever for either kit page 1 or 2 of BFD, is controlled by the rhythm page?
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AFAIK 'Kit 2' is an extension of the normal BFD kit rather than a substitute. It allows you to have more toms and cymbals and alternative snare and kick sounds. That's why there's no hihat in Kit 2 and why you assign separate keys to the Kit 2 sounds.
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andrewwright67
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I know m8, but what I was saying is will you be able to use Kit 2 with Jamstix? - I.e. Jamstix playing both Kit 1 and 2 at the same time
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Yes, that should work. You just have to align the key mappings.
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andrewwright67
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:04 am Post subject: |
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But then, you won't be able to control the rhythm being played for Kit 2 becuase there is only one rhythm page
Do you understand what I mean?
In theory you'd need to rhythm pages - 1. for Kit 1, and another for Kit 2
So effectively you could set up to separate rhythms each editable via their own rhythm page
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| andrewwright67 wrote: | But then, you won't be able to control the rhythm being played for Kit 2 becuase there is only one rhythm page
Do you understand what I mean?
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That's exactly the misunderstanding. It's really not two kits in BFD, it's a kit extension. You can assign the extra sounds of kit2 to sounds in the mapping tab. This is useful to get 5 toms and to take advantage of extra cymbals (assigned to splash and chinas).
The extra kick and snare cannot be used effectively since Jamstix only uses one of each in its logic.
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andrewwright67
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Cool
So, you'll be able to setup 5 toms, as obviously there are 5 toms available to select and manipulate in the rhythm section, and will they extra cymbals only be effected by the "change crash" setting - so Jamstix will switch between the cymbals whenever?
Cheers for the help m8 - appriciated
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| andrewwright67 wrote: | | will they extra cymbals only be effected by the "change crash" setting - so Jamstix will switch between the cymbals whenever? |
The 'Change Crash' setting influences whether a crash is played when going in and out of powerplay and when changing rhythms.
Jamstix uses all available cymbal slots automatically. You do not manually select what crash, china or splash is used. The only place you would do that is the cymbal panel boxes.
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andrewwright67
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:33 am Post subject: |
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So, say if I had 6 cymbals in BFD - 3 on the Kit 1 (crash 1, 2 and Ride) then 3 more cymbals on Kit 2, how would I set up a map, so all cymbals can be played via Jamstix? Allowing me to change between whichever cymbal I want at a certain point in an arrangement.
In the rhythm page of Jamstix are you able to colour code cymbals like how the tom hits are, but the colours represent an actual cymbal - crash 1, crash 6, etc...?
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| andrewwright67 wrote: | So, say if I had 6 cymbals in BFD - 3 on the Kit 1 (crash 1, 2 and Ride) then 3 more cymbals on Kit 2, how would I set up a map, so all cymbals can be played via Jamstix? Allowing me to change between whichever cymbal I want at a certain point in an arrangement.
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Just assign the BFD cymbal keys to the keys of the cymbals in Jamstix (Crash, China, Splash, Ride) as desired.
Note that you do not control which cymbal Jamstix plays, you only control what sound in BFD each cymbal triggers.
The only exception is the cymbal panel where you can right-click, hold and slide horizontally to control the cymbal sound just like the toms.
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andrewwright67
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Think I understand now
Jamstix will play a cymbal based on the horizontal state of the boxes in the cymbal panal
So in the mapping section am I able to select a set percentage for each cymbal so I know which cymbal will be played from the cymbal panal?
For example, crash 1 could be set at 0% - 10%, crash 2 11% - 20%, etc...
But just to note, this change in horizontal percentage will not change the velocity of the cymbal hits right? - you do tht with the vertical scroll up and down!!
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| andrewwright67 wrote: | So in the mapping section am I able to select a set percentage for each cymbal so I know which cymbal will be played from the cymbal panal?
For example, crash 1 could be set at 0% - 10%, crash 2 11% - 20%, etc...
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No, that's not how it works. Where do you see those percentages?
Here's another recap:
Jamstix decides when to play cymbals during rhythm play based on the 'Normal' and 'Power' sliders in the cymbal panel of the rhythm tab. In free jam, these sliders are controlled by the 'Cymbal Hits' slider in the jam control panel.
In addition, accents, fills, intros and endings will play cymbals.
For none of the above can you control what cymbal gets played. However, you can control what sound of Jamstix, BFD etc. is played for each cymbal via the mapping tab.
A second layer are the checkboxes in the cymbal panel. Those let you micro-manage cymbals in a rhythm pattern and get to select the actual type of cymbal as well.
Hope this helps!
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