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spikey
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 Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:01 pm Post subject: Logic X and Jamstix comparisons... Hummmm... |
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| Logic 10 was released to the masses today, and it has a very similar new feature that Jamstix has had, but not for the Mac side so far... The ability to choose styles, and then choose the drummers... Ralph did you make some sweet deal with Apple on your nifty Jamstix drum ideas? Or did they just copy the sweat off your brow so to speak? |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right?
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urock
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Hi, I am a Jamstix owner since version 2.
I am one of those that upgraded Jamstix 3 when it was released on the promise of a free upgrade to the OSX port when it was completed. I don't have a Windows music computer anymore so I never even downloaded J3.
Jamstix is a great product and I have been using lesser drum methods in the interim.
Fast forward to the present. I am seriously thinking about forking out the $200 to give the "drummer" plugin in Logic X a try to see if gets closer to what I like about Jamstix.
However, if the Jamstix OSX beta is around the corner, I'd rather save the $200 and work in the likely better product.
I've read all the updates on the OSX port in the various threads. The last clear status update that I can see was a mention that a new graphic interface system was needed.
Given the release of this seemingly worthy OSX competitor*, I would appreciate if Ralph could give a new estimate at this time. Even something basic like "won't be ready for Beta until a least X" would help me make a decision.
Thanks.
*BTW, I do not consider Mdrummer a worthy competitor |
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bean_boy
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:58 am Post subject: OSX Competition |
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I agree with URock, an update on Jamstix OSX would be most welcomed especially as an alternative solution has now arrived on the scene.
I have to say that it doesn't look like a 1 for 1 replacement, but it does look pretty good....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tuWFzMVjA4
Please Ralph - do you have any news or rough ETA? Thanks! |
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Ralph [RZ]
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Guys, I hope to give you a better ETA on the OSX Beta in early August. I can't tell you not to shell out $200 for the Logic drummers in X but I can tell you that this Logic feature does not have the range and depth of the Jamstix AI.
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brelic_
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Ralph [RZ] wrote: | | Guys, I hope to give you a better ETA on the OSX Beta in early August. I can't tell you not to shell out $200 for the Logic drummers in X but I can tell you that this Logic feature does not have the range and depth of the Jamstix AI. |
Two questions for you:
1. Will the OSX version come in Audio Units?
2. Will there be a 64-bit version of it for OSX? |
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darcyb62
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| urock wrote: |
Fast forward to the present. I am seriously thinking about forking out the $200 to give the "drummer" plugin in Logic X a try to see if gets closer to what I like about Jamstix. |
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*BTW, I do not consider Mdrummer a worthy competitor |
I bought Logic X last night. I didn't buy it for "drummer" but all the other great stuff they did to improve the product. I have yet to try it as it is a substantial download with all the content but I do hope to have some time on the weekend.
By the way I agree on mdrummer. I gave it a valiant try and I just couldnt get it to do what I wanted to do with it.
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Robitaille20
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I've watched quite a few videos showing drummer in Logic X, and while it looks interesting, I don't see it coming anywhere close to what Jamstix can do. My guess would be that Mac users are excited because this is probably the first thing like this to hit the Mac. Since Jamstix has been Windows only for so long it may not be on the radar for Mac users. Those of us who started on Windows and then moved to the Mac DEFINITELY know what we are missing.
The slider concept for variations in drummer is kind of neat, but I don't see how you are going to get many variations out of it- certainly not anywhere close to what you can get from Jamstix.
That said- I would be more that willing to help Alpha/Beta test the Mac version of Jamstix. Once I know that it is available for me to download in any form to run im my DAW I'll be making a beeline for the link. |
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spikey
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Ralph [RZ] wrote: | | Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right? |
Yes Ralph it is. But I can tell you that when the day comes that we can use Jamstix inside of Logic X, that will be sweeter than sweet! |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| brelic_ wrote: |
1. Will the OSX version come in Audio Units?
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VST initially, then also AU.
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2. Will there be a 64-bit version of it for OSX? |
32-bit initially and then we'll move on to 64-bit.
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willowhaus
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Is going 64-bit a major code change? Logic X won't run 32-bit plugs...if it takes a longer time to get an OS X version out, 32-bit is going to have a limited appeal.  |
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brelic_
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| willowhaus wrote: | | Is going 64-bit a major code change? Logic X won't run 32-bit plugs...if it takes a longer time to get an OS X version out, 32-bit is going to have a limited appeal. |
Logic X runs AU only, so even a 64-bit VST misses the mark.
Then again, the install base for Logic Pro 9 and below is probably still quite high. |
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willowhaus
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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It's not really about the Logic X base, though. It's that the writing is on the wall - as people transition to 64-bit, 32-bit will become a thing of the past. As it is, if you're running a 64-bit DAW, then you'll need a wrapper just to run the plugin, which is additional code adding overhead to a project.
Less of an issue if the release is sooner than later, but some of us have been waiting years for this. That's why I was asking about how hard it is to make the transition.
Anyway...don't want to be a downer or anything. I just want to see native Jamstix as soon as possible.  |
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brelic_
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| willowhaus wrote: | It's not really about the Logic X base, though. It's that the writing is on the wall - as people transition to 64-bit, 32-bit will become a thing of the past. As it is, if you're running a 64-bit DAW, then you'll need a wrapper just to run the plugin, which is additional code adding overhead to a project.
Less of an issue if the release is sooner than later, but some of us have been waiting years for this. That's why I was asking about how hard it is to make the transition.
Anyway...don't want to be a downer or anything. I just want to see native Jamstix as soon as possible. |
Yeah, I agree. Apple is known for precipitating change, and they've done it again with Logic Pro X (64-bit AU only).
I've been using Drummer every day for the past week in my songwriting workflow, and you know, it's actually quite nice. It has some great features that Jamstix doesn't yet have that would improve the workflow.
For example, I like that the drum parts are displayed in the track view as a waveform. You can lengthen/shorten parts, copy/paste, swap, right in the track view while seeing your entire project. It also works brilliantly with the Arrangement mode, where if you want to swap the bridge from your song with another verse, it takes two seconds to do, and the drums also adjust to the new structure.
With Jamstix, you would have to go into the plugin window to make the changes, and it's just not as intuitive as having the structure laid out in the track view.
Anyway, that coupled with the tight integration right into the DAW make it a great experience so far.
I'm not trying to be negative, because I really love Jamstix. But I've been waiting for years, and now there is a native and viable replacement. It all comes down to the trade off between the complexity and high level of control in Jamstix versus the simplicity and tight integration in Drummer. |
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