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Dwayne
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 Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:35 am Post subject: It's probably me but? |
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Couple of questions for you power users out there:
1) I am using Jamstix in Sonar 4PE 4.02 with Battery 2 - I am a bass player and I am basically just trying to get a good funky consistent "2 and 4" with some variation to it - I seem to be getting stuff all over the map even though I have backed of the variations to almost nothing? fills all the way back to 16.
2). The sync to the sequencer seems to be a l little loose - I even tried leaving the Metronome on just to make sure it was not me that was way off.
3) I have had to reboot a couple of times as it seems that it stops getting an audio signal (red led does not respond) even though the meter for the M8 does respond?
Maybe I just need a couple of "how to" pointers here - i am sure it is probably me.
Appreciate any help |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:54 am Post subject: Re: It's probably me but? |
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1) I am using Jamstix in Sonar 4PE 4.02 with Battery 2 - I am a bass player and I am basically just trying to get a good funky consistent "2 and 4" with some variation to it - I seem to be getting stuff all over the map even though I have backed of the variations to almost nothing? fills all the way back to 16.
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You may want to use manual jam and select a basic rhythm from the library (use keyword 'basic' and start with 'Rock Basic I').
Also, if you do a free jam you can slide the fills to 0 (all the way left) to get no fills at all. Make sure accentuations is nearly all the way left to only get minimal variations.
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2). The sync to the sequencer seems to be a l little loose - I even tried leaving the Metronome on just to make sure it was not me that was way off.
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Try using the latest beta:
http://rayzoon.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=385
Also, what is your ASIO latency?
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3) I have had to reboot a couple of times as it seems that it stops getting an audio signal (red led does not respond) even though the meter for the M8 does respond?
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You should not have to reboot. Closing/Reopening Sonar should do it. We'll see if we can duplicate this problem here.
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Dwayne
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply Ralph,
I do not know how much this matters but i use the WDM drivers
Latency is set at 256 - 4 buffers and - Settings state about 5.8 (i think it's miiliseconds - not at my daw right now)
3) You are correct - I mispoke - I have to shut down the project but I do not have to to a total reboot - Is this normal?
Is the beta an update of version 1.2? - I want to make sure I am keeping this updated correctly |
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Ralph [RZ]
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3) You are correct - I mispoke - I have to shut down the project but I do not have to to a total reboot - Is this normal?
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No, it's not. We're researching it. How long does it work per session before the audio input fails?
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Is the beta an update of version 1.2? - I want to make sure I am keeping this updated correctly |
Yes, the current beta is newer than 1.2.
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Dwayne
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Hey Ralph,
I can't really give a definitive answer on exactly how long it takes before it fails - I will try to check on that next time I am at my DAW (Which I hope is real soon!!)
I will download the beta soon as well
I assume that the WDM drivers are not an isssue - correct?
1 more thing Ralph - I was just wondering if maybe you can give me some suggestions on the workflow you use when working with Jamstix to build your tracks - I think I read somewhere that you use Sonar as your host.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:10 am Post subject: |
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I assume that the WDM drivers are not an isssue - correct?
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They shouldn't but I generally recommend ASIO over WDM.
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1 more thing Ralph - I was just wondering if maybe you can give me some suggestions on the workflow you use when working with Jamstix to build your tracks - I think I read somewhere that you use Sonar as your host.
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There are myriads of different workflows possible with Jamstix but here's the basics of how I use it:
I work around the arranger and am not using jamming at all when building a track. I jam to collect ideas but not to build my track.
I assemble patterns in the arranger that I want to use. Some are hand-built via the rhythm tab, others I load from the library, including patterns I saved in previous free jams.
I arrange the patterns as needed and add intro, fills and ending.
Once the basic track is the way I want it I use automation envelopes in Sonar to control velocity and various other aspects of the track to fine-tune the performance throughout the song.
I may also add some cymbals or other short drum events by hand in the Jamstix MIDI track.
In the final step I add FX to the Jamstix audio tracks, ususally just EQ. I may also fine-tune drum volumes and pitch in the mapping tab.
Hope this helps!
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Dwayne
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Great stuff man !! - Should give me some ideas
You are about the third person in the last week who has told me to use the ASIO drivers instead of WDM - What the difference - is it stabilty,lower latency, compatabilty? Just curious - I beleve that Sonar defaults to WDM - correct ? |
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| Dwayne wrote: | Great stuff man !! - Should give me some ideas
You are about the third person in the last week who has told me to use the ASIO drivers instead of WDM - What the difference - is it stabilty,lower latency, compatabilty? Just curious - I beleve that Sonar defaults to WDM - correct ? |
ASIO is a low latency protocol that was developed by Steinberg in a time when Windows only had painfully slow MME drivers. Microsoft later responded with WDM, which has only fairly recently started to reach the general driver quality that ASIO is enjoying. Even though WDM is now often very usable and responsive, whenever there are problems you can't go wrong by trying ASIO instead.
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Dwayne
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject: Whoa!! |
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Ralph,
I downloaded the beta version and I am having all kind of problems!!
1) When loading Jamstix - The audio enngine in Sonar stops and then when I hit the space bar to start again it plays about 1 click and then I get the dropout!
I did change to the ASIO drivers which is supported by my Tascam 1884 - It sounds horrible - all kinds of pops and clicks
I can't get anything out of it right now |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Whoa!! |
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| Dwayne wrote: | Ralph,
I downloaded the beta version and I am having all kind of problems!!
1) When loading Jamstix - The audio enngine in Sonar stops and then when I hit the space bar to start again it plays about 1 click and then I get the dropout!
I did change to the ASIO drivers which is supported by my Tascam 1884 - It sounds horrible - all kinds of pops and clicks
I can't get anything out of it right now |
That's really odd stuff! Please add this line to the [General] section of the jamstix.ini file of your Jamstix folder.
Logging=1
then load Jamstix again and try a free jam. When finished, please send us the rzdlog.txt file in your Jamstix folder to support@rayzoon.com. It will contain debug information.
Also, you mentioned that two other people told you to use ASIO this week. May I ask why? Were you experiencing issues with other synths?
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Dwayne
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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OK - I think the problem was how I copied it - I copied it directly into Directxer instead of replacing the .dll in the VST folder. That seems to have solved that.
But i am having a devil of a time getting Battery to load - I am sure it's me again 
In regards to the ASIO thing - WDM drivers were working just fine. The only thing I was/am having problem with is getting the bundled TTS-1 synth to work. I have some other Free VST synths that have been working fine. I think they were just stating that they thought the ASIO drivers were more solid. ( They also use Cubase).
Thanks for the help Ralph |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Dwayne wrote: | OK - I think the problem was how I copied it - I copied it directly into Directxer instead of replacing the .dll in the VST folder. That seems to have solved that.
But i am having a devil of a time getting Battery to load - I am sure it's me again
In regards to the ASIO thing - WDM drivers were working just fine. The only thing I was/am having problem with is getting the bundled TTS-1 synth to work. I have some other Free VST synths that have been working fine. I think they were just stating that they thought the ASIO drivers were more solid. ( They also use Cubase).
Thanks for the help Ralph |
Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
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Dwayne
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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I am sorry Ralph but I just cant figure this out - I now have it working with the internal sounds just fine - In fact I even think I am finally starting to get my head around how to use the Manual & Rythym tabs to get the type of grooves that I want - excellent!!
But when I try to get Battery loaded it is just a disaster - Let me lay out what I am doing and you can probably get me sorted out here.
Load Jamstix and enable the send midi to host button above the GUI
Mapping Tab - Midi out only and load Battery Map
Load Batt. and select Loopback as the midi input ttto Batt midi track(s)
Enable Echo in the midi track(s) for Batt.
Result - Lock up -"Cakewalk not responding" The last time I did it I loaded both with all the audio outputs enabled - It did not lock up but it also produced no sound - Of course I am sure that I do not have to do that anyway but I was just trying anything - Unloaded Batt altogether and used just the internal sounds - Jammin big time!!
I know - I am a pain in the ass - I warned you !! I really love this program and I think it is going to work very well for me but one of the reasons I wanted it was to be able to use Batt effectively. |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Load Jamstix and enable the send midi to host button above the GUI
Mapping Tab - Midi out only and load Battery Map
Load Batt. and select Loopback as the midi input ttto Batt midi track(s)
Enable Echo in the midi track(s) for Batt.
Result - Lock up -"Cakewalk not responding"
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Don't enable Echo on the Batt track. Enable it on the MIDI track for Jamstix and that only if you are jamming with a keyboard. If you are using a bass guitar you need not enable Echo on any MIDI track. Also, if jamming with a keyboard, make sure that the Jamstix MIDI track is set to your keyboard as input and not Omni (MIDI feedback).
Another way is to load Battery into Jamstix to make things easier. Have you tried that?
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I know - I am a pain in the ass - I warned you !! I really love this program and I think it is going to work very well for me but one of the reasons I wanted it was to be able to use Batt effectively. |
No problem. We'll get you sorted out, mate 
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Dwayne
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Another way is to load Battery into Jamstix to make things easier. Have you tried that? |
This is exactly what I would prefer to do - But how do I do that? - I see the button for configure drum module ( I think that's what i'ts called) - and when i do that it shows the Battery .dll but I cant see the module itself
How do I load into Jamstix so that I can configure the kits, midi channels, etc. |
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