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Dewdman42
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| AU would be better. Some hosts still do not support VST, such as Digital Performer. |
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spitfire31
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Dewdman42 wrote: | | AU would be better. Some hosts still do not support VST, such as Digital Performer. |
And Logic
/Joachim |
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spikey
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Nope, it can still be VST - from what I know, apparently AU is 32-bit only whereas VST can be 64.. |
Nope- Logic studio 9x cant run vst's. Thats my host. It runs AU plugin's. Has nothing to do with 32 or 64 bits. AND- I have ALOT of software and nearly ALL of it supports AU now days...
So back to my original question- due to the replies above on flat statements using bootcamp on a Mac to run Windows...
How do I load a vst (JamStix) in windows (using bootcamp) into a Logic studio track (using the Snow Leopard Mac OS) when you have to close one to open the other OS???
Answer- you cant as far as I know, using the above. So you must then ALSO run a windows based DAW host that supports VST's on the same Mac drive( which invalidates the reasons for owning a Mac in the first place).
So Whats the Point of all this? Mis information pisses me off. The point is that going by the advice of some here, lots of new ppl running Logic might have taken the time to load bootcamp and the Windows OS onto their Mac's hard drive just to find out hours later it wouldnt work because you cant (afaik) run both OS's at the same time using Bootcamp. You have to shut one OS down to run/start the other one. Please correct me if Im wrong here, because I just HATE piss poor advice that doesnt help.... I just wish everyone else felt the same way... |
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spitfire31
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:38 am Post subject: |
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The long and the short of it is that the only realistic and productive course of action for PWM (People With Macs) is to use other ways of producing drum tracks and wait until JamStix 3.?/4? is relesed for Mac OS.
Apparently there is some intricate way of hacking JS to work, after a fashion, with Wine (concurrently with Mac OS), but that's only for you people whose sense of technical accomplishment is somehow more important than actually creating music.
In the meantime I'm using other stuff, patiently waiting for Ralph to release JS Mac OS.
/Joachim
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Doc
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| spikey wrote: | : | Quote: | | At the moment Iīd recommend to put a Win XP Bootcamp partition on your Mac. |
So if I run Windows thru Bootcamp to run Jamstix, and Logic 9 is tied to the Mac OS, just how am I gonna get Jamstix loaded onto a Logic track since I can only have Windows OR the Mac OS booted, and not both at once?
Mr Obvious says what we need is an AU version of Jamstix HINT HINT! :wink |
Well, I use Ableton Live on Bootcamp XP AND Mac OSX, because it is cross platform. I can open any Ableton Live WinXP project easily in OSX.
For Logic (and Digital Performer) Users itīs not so easy. Iīd recommend using REAPER on Bootcamp to create drum tracks and then import JS Audiofiles later in Logic/DP. A bit tedious I know but best of both worlds none the less. |
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Doc
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| spikey wrote: | | Quote: | | Nope, it can still be VST - from what I know, apparently AU is 32-bit only whereas VST can be 64.. |
Nope- Logic studio 9x cant run vst's. Thats my host. It runs AU plugin's. Has nothing to do with 32 or 64 bits. AND- I have ALOT of software and nearly ALL of it supports AU now days...
So back to my original question- due to the replies above on flat statements using bootcamp on a Mac to run Windows...
How do I load a vst (JamStix) in windows (using bootcamp) into a Logic studio track (using the Snow Leopard Mac OS) when you have to close one to open the other OS???
Answer- you cant as far as I know, using the above. So you must then ALSO run a windows based DAW host that supports VST's on the same Mac drive( which invalidates the reasons for owning a Mac in the first place).
So Whats the Point of all this? Mis information pisses me off. The point is that going by the advice of some here, lots of new ppl running Logic might have taken the time to load bootcamp and the Windows OS onto their Mac's hard drive just to find out hours later it wouldnt work because you cant (afaik) run both OS's at the same time using Bootcamp. You have to shut one OS down to run/start the other one. Please correct me if Im wrong here, because I just HATE piss poor advice that doesnt help.... I just wish everyone else felt the same way... |
Calm down, please!
And donīt start flame wars using strong words like you did!
No misinformation here.
NOBODY said you could use Jamstix on a Bootcamp partition when your only host is Logic.
Because Logic isnīt cross platform (which every Logic user knows).
It is very evident you can use JS on a Bootcamp partition on which you run a Windows (or cross platform) host like Ableton Live, REAPER, Cubase,
which was the point I tried to make to help Mac People.
Please show me any post that recommends this and indicates you could use solely LOGIC for this. |
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BoxOfSnoo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Whoa whoa whoa. I never said Logic studio can run VSTs, I said the Mac can run (Mac-compiled) VSTs. Natively. Without rebooting. I have a few.
Then someone else pointed out that Logic can't use them. Ok, that's a downer but not a death blow. If there were a Mac OS VST for JamStix, you could run it in Reaper as a workaround, and you could even ReWire them together.
And, turns out with Snow Leopard, you can have 64-bit AUs. Huh, I didn't know that. I guess I have to keep up.
I just hope that Ralph and the team don't think they can't release the Mac version unless it's AU... |
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spikey
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Im sorry doc, I was thinking about using Logic only here. In which case your statement...,
| Quote: | At the moment Iīd recommend to put a Win XP Bootcamp partition on your Mac.
Works flawlessly for me and you donīt have to wait for JS on Mac OS which could still take quite some time to come out. |
Wouldnt work at all for me....
You see, I got away from Windows on a DAW because it was so unstable for me. Thus the reason for buying a Mac- S T A B I L I T Y. Of course the trade offs are that you cant run all the software... 
And I still believe that running Windows inside a Mac defeats its very purpose. Its Like putting a screen door on a submarine. Using mustard for whipping cream, etc etc...
That said- However, I will admit that only considering Logic for the above statement you made was a bit shortsighted on my part as well. And I know you were only trying to help... Sorry for the frustration... Still, THAT is my situation. And its frustration in full tilt... 
| Quote: | | The long and the short of it is that the only realistic and productive course of action for PWM (People With Macs) is to use other ways of producing drum tracks and wait until JamStix 3.?/4? is relesed for Mac OS. |
Sigh... Yer right of course....  |
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Doc
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: |
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I hear you.
Itīs all good and in the end will be even better! (When Jamstix OSX is ready that is...)  |
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Dewdman42
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Generally speaking its not a big deal to release both VST and AU. All the guts are the same and its only a bit of wrapper code that is needed, for the most part, that makes it appear as AU or VST. The truth is AU will be more compatible with the larger DAW's like Logic, Performer, etc. some of the smaller ones like EnergyXT, Reaper, support VST. In any case, most instruments are done in a way that they can be released as both VST and AU at the same time and I don't see any reason why Jamstix couldn't also. However, if he has to pick one for the mac platform, it would be wise to be AU. That is Apple's spec'd format for plugins. |
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spikey
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Way back in the deepest darkest of Rayzoon's experimental dungons.....
Any "new" mad scientist mac/ JS news i wonder?? |
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willowhaus
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Also wondering about that...just got a Mac, and I'm putting my music stuff on it. Would LOVE to see jamstix & jamcussion come along for the ride! Till then, I guess I'll try the dual-boot thing (I use REAPER, so I can switch fairly easily).
If you need any beta testers, Ralph, please keep me in mind when the time comes! |
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Dewdman42
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| Supposedly he's working on it. For now I can report that Jamstix3 works on Snow leopard using Crossover Games 9.1 |
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spitfire31
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| Dewdman42 wrote: | | Supposedly he's working on it. |
Not just supposedly, either. I can't find Ralph's recent post in a hurry but in it he said that the rest of the year will be devoted to getting JS 3 working on Mac OS.
Just some patience needed
/Joachim |
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pjl
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| Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| spitfire31 wrote: |
Not just supposedly, either. I can't find Ralph's recent post in a hurry but in it he said that the rest of the year will be devoted to getting JS 3 working on Mac OS.
Just some patience needed
/Joachim |
Patience!? Anyone know where am I can get hold of some. 
Seriously, I'm looking forward to Jamstix for OSX to complete my transition to Mac. Downloading WaveLab 7 for Mac as I type. |
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