Rayzoon Technologies LLC

[Leighton]

Sorry for the long post here! I’m having a problem with DirectiXer’s feedback loop when trying to convert a Jamstix jam to audio in Sonar 4 PE. It happens about half of the time, and it is like everything has entered some sort of endless feedback loop. System resources are maxed out, a snare hit goes into an endless loop getting more distorted as it repeats and if I don’t de-select Send MIDI to host through loopback driver, everything hangs up. I have DirectX version 2.5, ASUS motherboard, Pentium 4, 3.2GHz, 1 GB RAM, XP Home, Service Pack2. Any thoughts on this?

I put this together to show steps I am taking when converting a Jam to an audio tract. My 12 steps

1. Insert Rayzoon audioM8 into effects bin of the instrument you want to control the jam. (Right click on the effects bin, choose audio effects and select Rayzoon audioM8) Turn on Input echo if playing an instrument. (You can click on the Mute Output box if you get an echo, but be sure to deselect it once you are done recording) You do not need input echo on for jamming to a pre-recorded tract.

2. Insert Jamstix. Select insert DxiSynth, Rayzoon Jamstix and wait for Jamstix window to appear. On the upper left hand side of the window you see 6 little icons. Select the one with the two staff notes. It says “Send MIDI to host through loopback driver”. Don’t forget this!

3. Select Free Jam or Keyword Jam. Set parameters to taste and select Play (if jamming to pre-recorded track, or record if recording guitar track and want to jam.

4. When finished, select Manual Jam and edit to taste.

5. Now you’re liking what you have and want to get out of the MIDI world into a sound wave clip.

6. Rewind sonar to begining

7. Insert a new MIDI tract and make sure to select the input as DirectiXer Loopback – Omni. Now Select the record button on the MIDI tract.

8. Hit the main record button and run through the song. Let it play a little past the ending. You should see the MIDI notes being recorded.

9. Rewind back to the start.

10. Now select all the Jamstix labeled tracts plus the MIDI file you just recorded. Make sure they are all selected.

11. Select Edit, Bounce to tracts.

12. In the Bounce to tracts window, change the “Source Category” to Tracks and the window to the left should say razoon jamstix Output. Chose Stereo or Mono and select OK

[Ralph [RZ]]

MIDI Feedback with Jamstix always means that there is a track with Jamstix as the output and Omni or DirectiXer as the input. Check all your MIDI tracks and make sure all of them that have Jamstix as the output do not have Omni or DirectiXer as the input.

Hope this helps!
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Ralph Zeuner
Rayzoon Technologies LLC
http://www.rayzoon.com

[Leighton]

Thanks Ralph, that was it. When you insert Jamstix, Sonar assigns the input displayed as "OMNI". If you mouse click on input "None" is selected, but it really is OMNI. Anyway that solved the feedback issue.

OK, I'm nearly there with converting to audio in Sonar. Using the steps listed above, when I bounce to an audio track, most of the Jam is there, but the snare drum hits (all the cool dynamics) are not. Do you know what I am doing wrong?

By the way, It is Saturday night and you need a break. You don't need to reply to me so fast.

[Ralph [RZ]]

[Leighton]

Thanks Ralph. I'll try the "Toggle Locks".

What I;m trying to say is that when I bounce to a track, only the basic rhythm parts are there; bass drum, hats, even chimes. But the snare drum is not there. To test, I toggle between the bounced audio and Jamstix, muting one or the other during playback and the snare hits as Jamstix plays the arrangement did not get recorded to the bounced audio tract. You can especially tell this on the “fill” parts when comparing. It is as if Jamstix has two sources for sound, a basic rhythm and an interactive part that goes on top of the basic rhythm. I am getting the basic rhythm recorded to an audio track, but not the interactive part. Am I making any sense?

[Ralph [RZ]]

[Leighton]

Toggle Locks works great! Thanks for the tip!

Am I correct in saying that when using this method, you do not need to engage “Send MIDI to host through loopback driver" in DirectiXer?

[Ralph [RZ]]