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Jamstix 3 RC1 - Now Available
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, OK. Thanks. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ralph [RZ] wrote:
You can also assign MIDI keys to parts in the song sheet and then trigger them when in Liveloop mode.


i'm still getting total silence when in Liveloop mode
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still working on some issues with Liveloop mode Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beta A11 is now out!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can you add space characters in the rudiment generator in Reaper? In Reaper 'space' starts/stops transport.

And I'd like to be able to choose from the common rudiments mentioned in the manual.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be a setting in REAPER to give plugins control over keys. If not, you can just skip the spaces as they are just cosmetic anyway.

We thought about adding a menu for common rudiments but it is easy to copy/paste from the manual. Furthermore, you will have to adjust for your desired accents anyway (i.e LRll instead of LRLL)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Ralph. I will take the rudiment feature for a spin tonight. I can't wait!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Del Pedro wrote:
How can you add space characters in the rudiment generator in Reaper? In Reaper 'space' starts/stops transport.

And I'd like to be able to choose from the common rudiments mentioned in the manual.
Hold the [SHIFT] key while pressing the [SPACE] key.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

for A11 you mention looking in the manual to find out about the rudiment generator. What page does this appear on? I have the manual dated 28th Jan.

While I am here I would mention a typo on Page 14, first paragraph - "if you move a cymbal to far away" should be "too".

Also 8.1 song builder section, does not mention the new Middle 8 letter.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:27 am    Post subject: Beta 11 - live loop toggle Reply with quote

On initial testing it seems that the liveloop silence problem is now solved although the liveloop toggle still not operating as I would have expected.
This lead onto something about operational procedures that I've been puzzling over.
say for example you have a song which is tightly structure until the instrumental section (in which you want an extended jam)
In JS2 I would have core bars and required number of repetitions for each part with the instrumental section having core bars and say 100 repetitions. Live loop mode would be switched on at the start and the song will play through changing parts as they come to the end of their repetitions. On reaching the instrumental this would repeat until you get fed up and press the appropriate program change button to take you to the next part.
With JS3 if live loops is switched on at the start then each part is going to cycle through repeating the core bars until a program change is sent and this is OK as it can be controlled from the host app ie the host can auto send pg and appropraite times.
The problem with this is that the bar count in JS reflects what JS is doing and if your relying on the real bar count as a prompt then your stuck. for example if you have a short instrumental part say 16 bars long - it starts on bar 50 and finishes at end of bar 65. In JS i would name the part 'Instr - end bar 65' . With the large bar display visible I have an excellent visual prompt for winding up the instrumental and moving onto the next part. Now however this doesn't work.

So I assume that having the liveloop toggle means that you start the song with liveloops switched off then on reaching your jamming instrumental you can switch this on and jam then switch it off to move onto the next part.
Is this assumption correct ie is this the idea behind having the toggle?
If it is why wont it stay on. Laughing

Sorry for getting rather bogged down in this aspect it just that I'm really enthusiastic on getting JS3 into a gigging situation as there are so many advantages over JS2.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

R Green: you must be looking at an older manual. The one that comes with A11 has:

- the typo fixed
- middle 8 in the song builder section
- rudiment generator on page 38


Drk1: yes, toggling the liveloop MIDI key is now pretty pointless because JS3 will jump to wherever the host is at that time. I'm thinking about changing this so the toggle affects the repetition behavior:

- toggle on: parts are repeated forever just as it is now
- toggle off: at next bar end (or part end?) JS3 will advance to the next part and then repeat them as specified in reps (i.e. normal arrangement play)

What do you think?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I think that sounds fairly logical the only issue I can think off at the moment if you wanted to jump back to a previous part or even forward then with no midi key this wouldn't be possible however I'm not sure if you have ever intended JS to act in this way.

I have a couple of numbers in which I have say 3 or 4 parts which are variations of each other and with the midi keys I can then switch between them as the feeling takes me.

I'm sure there may be other ways of doing this sort of thing - just haven't thought of them yet.

I'll spend some more time on thinking about this.

thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry if there is an obvious answer to this question. But where can I download the lastest J3 manual. I can't remember how I downloaded the first version weeks back. I can't see it when I download A11?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The manual is located in the \data\docs folder of the Beta Install.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you


I've just started playing with the rudiment tool and I love it. It opens so much more intentional creative direction. However I do think that adding a drop down list for the sequences is a must. However, it would work better if you could just type out a list on a notepad document then access it through the drop down.... That way it gives us an option to create a personal library of options that we don't have to keep pasting in each time....

If anyone agrees please back me up here.....
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