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arzuaga
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 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:25 am Post subject: jam question |
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a question here:
I know there are to ways that jamstix can jam with me: audio in and MIDI in. But which channel does it analyse to change the rythms and all? I mean, does it see one single MIDI signal from one VST instrument, or it see all of them?
And if i wish that jamstix jams with me on my VST piano and not with others MIDI instruments (which could be doing other bizarre things)?
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Doc
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:47 am Post subject: |
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What host are you running?
In Cubase for example you can specify an input track (e.g. your piano midi track) for your jamstix track. |
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weaverid
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:14 am Post subject: |
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For Sonar... I thought it was the midi track where you specify "input echo on."
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Ralph [RZ]
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In Sonar, Jamstix will use whatever MIDI data arrives from MIDI tracks that have Jamstix as their MIDI output. The 'Input Echo' is only needed to make sure the live MIDI data gets passed through. If a track has Input Echo on but its output is not Jamstix, Jamstix will never see the data.
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arzuaga
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thanks!
Lets put an hypothetic situation: suppose you are playing a piano part with your controller in a middle of the song, and suddenly the piano stops and my friens who is with another midi controller playing a B4 takes the lead. If jamstix is only seeing the piano midi channel, it will stop playing drums when i stop playing, even if my friend plays the B4, right?
well, what could i do if i want jamstix to "hear" all the midi channels? If i make that jamstix "hear" an audio channel where is routed all the sounds (like a "submaster"), that would work? |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| arzuaga wrote: | thanks!
Lets put an hypothetic situation: suppose you are playing a piano part with your controller in a middle of the song, and suddenly the piano stops and my friens who is with another midi controller playing a B4 takes the lead. If jamstix is only seeing the piano midi channel, it will stop playing drums when i stop playing, even if my friend plays the B4, right?
well, what could i do if i want jamstix to "hear" all the midi channels? If i make that jamstix "hear" an audio channel where is routed all the sounds (like a "submaster"), that would work? |
If both keyboards are connected to Sonar then you'd set up two MIDI tracks, each has one controller as its MIDI input and both have Jamstix as their MIDI output. Jamstix is then "fed" by both inputs.
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weaverid
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| Zauni wrote: | | In Sonar, Jamstix will use whatever MIDI data arrives from MIDI tracks that have Jamstix as their MIDI output. The 'Input Echo' is only needed to make sure the live MIDI data gets passed through. If a track has Input Echo on but its output is not Jamstix, Jamstix will never see the data. |
Ralph
I'm not following your statement. You say 'input echo" lets live midi data through. Then you say Jamstix needs output via another means. In Sonar I set up a midi track with Sampletank as an output (so I can hear a piano patch) and my keyboard as the input. How will Jamstix ever see the midi data? Until now I would play with the 'input echo' button on the midi track that I had my keyboard set up on. Am I doing this wrong?
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| weaverid wrote: | | Zauni wrote: | | In Sonar, Jamstix will use whatever MIDI data arrives from MIDI tracks that have Jamstix as their MIDI output. The 'Input Echo' is only needed to make sure the live MIDI data gets passed through. If a track has Input Echo on but its output is not Jamstix, Jamstix will never see the data. |
Ralph
I'm not following your statement. You say 'input echo" lets live midi data through. Then you say Jamstix needs output via another means. In Sonar I set up a midi track with Sampletank as an output (so I can hear a piano patch) and my keyboard as the input. How will Jamstix ever see the midi data? Until now I would play with the 'input echo' button on the midi track that I had my keyboard set up on. Am I doing this wrong?
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Sorry for the confusion. Let me rephrase: Jamstix will process MIDI information from these entities in Sonar:
- any MIDI track with recorded material and Jamstix as the output
- any MIDI track with Jamstix as the output, some live MIDI source (keyboard) as the input and 'Live Echo' on.
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arzuaga
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: |
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I dont get it...
I insert a MIDI track, its input is my MIDI controller. In order to make it sound, i need to rout its output to a synth or sampler or wahatever...
In another MIDI track i insert Jamstix... what MIDI data will it read? if i rout the first MIDI track to jamstix i wont get any sound...
What about the other thing i said?: "If i make jamstix to "hear" an audio channel where i rout all the sounds (like a "submaster"), that would work?"
And how can it work with ABLETON LIVE?
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Ralph [RZ]
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| arzuaga wrote: | I dont get it...
I insert a MIDI track, its input is my MIDI controller. In order to make it sound, i need to rout its output to a synth or sampler or wahatever...
In another MIDI track i insert Jamstix... what MIDI data will it read? if i rout the first MIDI track to jamstix i wont get any sound...
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What version of Sonar do you have? Since V3 you can have input echo on multiple MIDI tracks. Just have two MIDI tracks, one for your synth and one for Jamstix, have the controller as the MIDI input on both and check Input Echo on both. That's it.
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arzuaga
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:04 am Post subject: |
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I hace V3 and i understood. I tought you were talking about using it without the Input Echo stuff..
but in LIVE there is a way to make it? and if i make jamstix to hear an audio track with all the mix? (just like a drummer would do) |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| arzuaga wrote: | | but in LIVE there is a way to make it? and if i make jamstix to hear an audio track with all the mix? (just like a drummer would do) |
If you can make audioM8 "hear" the mix then it will work. I'm not experienced enough in Live to help you set that up. Maybe PhilR can help?
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alexis
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| Doc wrote: | What host are you running?
In Cubase for example you can specify an input track (e.g. your piano midi track) for your jamstix track. |
OK, a similar question as the gent on Sonar:
If I have a track with a piano that Jamstix is following, then that track stops playing and a guitar track picks up for the solo, and then back to piano later .... etc.
In a circumstance like this, a live drummer would put a fill or two in before the solo, then probably beat on the rides or something during the solo, then a fill before going back to the main rhythm.
How does Jamstix know to "jump" over and follow the guitar for the solo, then jump back to the piano?
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| alexis wrote: | | Doc wrote: | What host are you running?
In Cubase for example you can specify an input track (e.g. your piano midi track) for your jamstix track. |
OK, a similar question as the gent on Sonar:
If I have a track with a piano that Jamstix is following, then that track stops playing and a guitar track picks up for the solo, and then back to piano later .... etc.
In a circumstance like this, a live drummer would put a fill or two in before the solo, then probably beat on the rides or something during the solo, then a fill before going back to the main rhythm.
How does Jamstix know to "jump" over and follow the guitar for the solo, then jump back to the piano?
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Jamstix can't see the jump nor can it see it coming so it cannot play a fill before it and out of the solo. You need to specify such things after the free jam in the arranger by placing fills on the bars. It really doesn't take much time. The workflow would be like this:
- Perform a free jam
- Switch to manual jam and place fills
- Select rhythm changes were necessary
- Place MIDI automation where necessary
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alexis
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OK, Zaunie, thanks. I'll concentrate on the basics for a while (as I bought it less than 24hrs ago), and use this thread as reference when I need it.
I wonder how it would work if one made a "dummy" track, not part of the song, whose sole purpose is for Jamstix to follow? It could run the length of the song, while other instruments cut in and out, and it would signal Jamstix where to place the fills as those events occurred. Maybe this would be another way to work through this. Probably not as efficient, I suppose!
Thanks again for your awesome technical helpl
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