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orenbar_20
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Hello,
A small error or incomprehension. I'm talking about update JS3.
I already have JS2 and I am zen
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manymanyhaha_
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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+1 on the fonts, +1 on the kit smaller and the bar editor bigger, though I think the reason that it is this size is because the song and mixer windows need to be large.
I do like the colors and the streamlined interface though.
Two other suggestions:
1)The "Hit"editor, the one that pops up when selecting a "hit" in the bar editor, it would be real nice if that thing didn't jump so much. The controls are so far to the edge of its screen that any imprecise navigation causes it to collapse necessitating re-selecting the "hit". It gets a bit frustrating at times.
2)A paste multiple in the song editor. If I have 8 parts in a song that I know are going to have different beats, it would make things a bit faster if I could copy and then paste once instead of 8x.
Small quibbles, great program. To be honest, JS2 works so well for what I do, I'd really only be interested in JS3 if it streamlines my workflow or JS2 stops working with Sonar.
Also, are you going to make it so where we can build our own drummers by adding in the different modules as we want?
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| manymanyhaha_ wrote: | The "Hit"editor, the one that pops up when selecting a "hit" in the bar editor, it would be real nice if that thing didn't jump so much. The controls are so far to the edge of its screen that any imprecise navigation causes it to collapse necessitating re-selecting the "hit".
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We're trying to get eliminate popups in JS3. The top-right panel will display virtual kit, brain, options or cell editor depending on the users actions. So this should solve your problem.
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2)A paste multiple in the song editor. If I have 8 parts in a song that I know are going to have different beats, it would make things a bit faster if I could copy and then paste once instead of 8x.
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Let's see what we can do.
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Also, are you going to make it so where we can build our own drummers by adding in the different modules as we want?
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JS3 will let you mix brain elements from drummers similar to what JS2 already offers for styles. We're also planning to let you save those creations as custom drummers.
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Loka_senna
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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One suggestion, depending on how far you've gotten in renovating the song structure options:
Let me set up a master Verse, Bridge, and Chorus part, and then arrange child-copies of those rather than just copy/pasting. So, for instance, I edit the beat for my master Verse, all of my verses reflect that. Or I could go edit a specific bar and lock it, and only that verse would have that edit. |
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Dali_S
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| orenbar_20 wrote: | Hello,
A small error or incomprehension. I'm talking about update JS3.
I already have JS2 and I am zen
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I understood you bought JS2 in April 2009...
My message was: if JS1=> JS2 was 49$, then you *could* expect your upgrade to be in the same price range. |
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Guitarfish
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm - haven't called in for a while so this is exciting news for me! Time to dust off my wish-list!
So back in Jan 08...
| Guitarfish wrote: | In my dreamworld, the timeline would go right accross the bottom of the GUI so you could see further ahead, and would have 3 levels for parts, repetitions and bars, something like this:
<---------------Part 1--------------><------Part 2-------><-----Part3--etc
<-Rep 1 -><-Rep 2 -><-Rep 3-><-Rep 1-><-Rep 2><-Rep 1--etc
<b1><b2><b1><b2> etc
This would make it so much easier for me to build up a song structure in JS2 that matches the structure in my sequencer.
If screen 'real estate' is the limitation it could have a 'hide' toggle, something like the 'keyboard' in Kontakt.
Probably asking a lot, but 'nothing ventured'... |
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We will be able to expand the timeline display in Jamstix 3 when we go to multiple GUI sizes. Until then we are working on visual cues relating to core bar, rep and part for one of the next updates.
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I know that you delivered on those enhanced visual cues to help us jam with JS2 and know where we are, but...
The overall instant visualisation of the song structure as a rolling timeline is one of the few areas where JS2 is less functional for me than JS1 (and well worth the trade-off for other benefits). With JS3 looming I still think there is some merit in a 3 tier timeline that reflects the basic architecture of the song structure - so what are my chances?  |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:52 am Post subject: |
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I'm thinking about an option for an expanded timeline at the bottom of the brain panel, which is wider than the standard timeline. We'll see what we can do.
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ToneCarver
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| hitch_ wrote: | I agree with Susan. There is no need for a large, realistic picture of a drum kit - a schematic will do. You'll find that you'll have more space on the GUI to incorporate features. Place the emphasis on the grid editor and the rhythm controls. Don't try to emulate "realistic" knobs and faders, etc; the emphasis should be on ease of use. Keep things clean and simple - like me.  |
+1. I'd also like to see an option to omit the parts of the kit that are not loaded so that the schematic or image shows only the playable instruments. |
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manymanyhaha_
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| Ralph [RZ] wrote: | | manymanyhaha_ wrote: | The "Hit"editor, the one that pops up when selecting a "hit" in the bar editor, it would be real nice if that thing didn't jump so much. The controls are so far to the edge of its screen that any imprecise navigation causes it to collapse necessitating re-selecting the "hit".
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We're trying to get eliminate popups in JS3. The top-right panel will display virtual kit, brain, options or cell editor depending on the users actions. So this should solve your problem.
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2)A paste multiple in the song editor. If I have 8 parts in a song that I know are going to have different beats, it would make things a bit faster if I could copy and then paste once instead of 8x.
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Let's see what we can do.
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Also, are you going to make it so where we can build our own drummers by adding in the different modules as we want?
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JS3 will let you mix brain elements from drummers similar to what JS2 already offers for styles. We're also planning to let you save those creations as custom drummers. |
Awesome. It's occurred to me as I've gotten to know the program that "drummers" are actually really great presets and there are many times I've wanted to, for example, add "Heavy Cymbals" to a drummer, so being able to add brain elements would be a great feature.
Also, I have to +1 the previous poster's idea of being able to "Tie" a part to another part, such as "locking" the choruses together for editing purposes, though if this is implemented, to be able to "Tie" and "Untie" quickly would be nice, to be able to slightly alter choruses, for example (I personally think it sounds more realistic if parts don't exactly match). I've done my share of copying parts (and recopying, and recopying . . . ) to really like this idea.
Thanks for listening. |
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Earache_
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Great news! I'm looking forward to supporting the next iteration of Jamstix. The style of the new GUI looks promising too. If I had one criticism of the current interface it would be the icons in the bar editor. I find it hard to tell at a glance exactly what each represents. Partially because of the size but there is also a lot of info packed into each. |
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zerocrossing
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Jamstix 3 Information |
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| Ralph [RZ] wrote: |
We are also working on a Groove Builder that would process a MIDI or audio clip that represents a part (verse, chorus etc.) and feed information to the brain that cannot be done in real-time (due to need for look-aheads). This function will allow you to create grooves that fit specific rhythmic properties of your MIDI or audio clip better. |
Hey...
what about the ability to input midi notes in real time to create a groove that simply loops, and then when the user gets the beat the way they want it, hit a button or PC change message that tells Jamstix to then base it's playing on that groove. It wouldn't have to work in real time as the beat could loop until Jamstix was ready to start improvising. Real drummers work this way anyway, playing a beat until they're comfortable with it and then branching out and experimenting.
Kudos to the new UI work, it's been one of my pain points with Jamstix. I'm probably more sensitive than most because I do UI for a living, but Jamstix always seemed to perplex me.
Also, great that you're thinking of supporting OSX. There's nothing like Jamstix for the Mac world and I'm thinking of moving back to OSX as my main audio platform and there's a big Jamstix sized hole in my life. You'd have a definite evangelist if you did a mac port for v3. |
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drjee
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
congrats to the new GUI design, it really looks much better. It would be perfect if the icons would get some more attention and the fonts look less blury. But again, this GUI is a huge step up. thanks.
cheers, drjee |
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tombuur
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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I think Jamstix 2.5.1 fills my needs, but don't worry - I will upgrade anyway. Jamstix is the way to go. No need to spend a lot of time browsing through libraries of midi loops. I just plot in the basic rythm I want and let Jamstix add accents and fills. As for fills I just let it loop and press recompose until I got something that fits in the song at that bar.
The only thing I could wish was a little improved workflow when plotting my hits in the grid. Something like: crtl + mouse will delete a beat that is there, alt + mouse will add the most recently chosen kit part etc. This way I could quickly enter/remove kicks, snares etc. You can already drag a hit to another part of the grid, but dragging it outside the grid should result in deleting that hit ... |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| tombuur wrote: |
The only thing I could wish was a little improved workflow when plotting my hits in the grid. Something like: crtl + mouse will delete a beat that is there, alt + mouse will add the most recently chosen kit part etc. This way I could quickly enter/remove kicks, snares etc. You can already drag a hit to another part of the grid, but dragging it outside the grid should result in deleting that hit ... |
We added the following function in 2.5.1: double-clicking on an empty cell will add the last used sound and double-clicking a sound will delete it.
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Greg Dean
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject: JS3 - nice! |
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Lovin' the improvements on the GUI! With all these improvements, JS3 Is a definate upgrade for me. How many bars will you be able you edit at one time in the bar editor?
A feature that I would find really useful (if implementable at this stage) would be to have the ability to lock individual limbs (or areas of the kit) after JS has composed, so that if you've got the right kick/snare pattern you could lock those limbs and hit the compose button to recompose just the hihats without altering the locked limbs but still keeping them visible ( rather than just muting limbs in JS2 which removes hits from the bar editor). Hopefully this kind of limb locking would allow you to pick one style, JS composes your bars and then lock certain limbs that you like (eg. kick + snare), load a different style, then recompose just the remaining limbs (eg. hihats). Don't know if this is possible but i'm hope it is. Loving your work Ralph, here's to JS3 and beyond, my money's waiting for you...... |
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