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Ralph [RZ]
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 Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:45 pm Post subject: Jamstix & Stormdrum |
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Please use this thread to post solutions or work-arounds for any problems you may have encountered using Jamstix with Stormdrum
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SimuAndy
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:21 pm Post subject: No messages means no problems? |
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| ... or does it mean, no one has tried (yet)? |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:56 am Post subject: |
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I've done but I wasn't too impressed with the drumkits in Stormdrum. I do love the non-kit drums and loops though!
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 3:10 am Post subject: |
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Let me then be the first to provide some JS/SD feedback 
SD allows you to either load a complete drumkit or different drum sections (snare, toms, cymbals, etc.) into the 8 slots, the later being how I use SD. In that case the drums are located on up to 8 midi channels, each segment having it’s own channel and reverb, delay, etc.. Unfortunately JS outputs all midi data on one channel. Because the drum sounds in SD use the same keys (but different midi channel) I have a problem.
My request therefore would be to be able to assign the instruments within JS to a midi channel. This would also aid me (and others?) to “convert” some of my old songs where I put the drums on say channel 10 and the percussion on channel 9.
 The way I see it the easiest way to do this is to add a way to assign a midi channel to a JS output, which gives you 4 outputs/midi channels. I think this would be enough. When you select a midi output in JS the associated midi channel is shown in the UI (mapping screen) – no extra screen space needed.
Hope you can help Ralph.
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Surfdigger wrote: | Let me then be the first to provide some JS/SD feedback
SD allows you to either load a complete drumkit or different drum sections (snare, toms, cymbals, etc.) into the 8 slots, the later being how I use SD. In that case the drums are located on up to 8 midi channels, each segment having it’s own channel and reverb, delay, etc.. Unfortunately JS outputs all midi data on one channel. Because the drum sounds in SD use the same keys (but different midi channel) I have a problem.
My request therefore would be to be able to assign the instruments within JS to a midi channel. This would also aid me (and others?) to “convert” some of my old songs where I put the drums on say channel 10 and the percussion on channel 9.
The way I see it the easiest way to do this is to add a way to assign a midi channel to a JS output, which gives you 4 outputs/midi channels. I think this would be enough. When you select a midi output in JS the associated midi channel is shown in the UI (mapping screen) – no extra screen space needed.
Hope you can help Ralph.
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In the mappings tab is a control called 'MIDI Output Channel' where you can assign any channel between 1 and 16 to the Jamstix MIDI output.
If you want to split the MIDI stream follow the instructions in section 15.2 (Page 40) of the Jamstix manual (PDF). It involves editing the jamstix.ini file so that groups of sounds get routed to different MIDI channels.
Hope this helps!
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:17 am Post subject: |
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I knew it! I should have read the manual - all of it. 
Thanks a zillion! I'll try this tonight. I guess I should have know you had all angles covered.
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If you want to split the MIDI stream follow the instructions in section 15.2 (Page 40) of the Jamstix manual (PDF). It involves editing the jamstix.ini file so that groups of sounds get routed to different MIDI channels. |
wow learn more about the ways of JS everyday... good feature, especially for some vsti's... I'm wondering why this is buried in the ini file however.... would it not be possible to have it on the same page where we can edit each samples audio output and other aspects? Such as just a box there for the midi channel out as well as the audio out? I realize that for me it would often mean using only midi out, but also seems that then the whole sheebang could be saved as a reloadable preset...no? |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| max wrote: | | Quote: | | If you want to split the MIDI stream follow the instructions in section 15.2 (Page 40) of the Jamstix manual (PDF). It involves editing the jamstix.ini file so that groups of sounds get routed to different MIDI channels. |
wow learn more about the ways of JS everyday... good feature, especially for some vsti's... I'm wondering why this is buried in the ini file however.... would it not be possible to have it on the same page where we can edit each samples audio output and other aspects? Such as just a box there for the midi channel out as well as the audio out? I realize that for me it would often mean using only midi out, but also seems that then the whole sheebang could be saved as a reloadable preset...no? |
The MIDI split is a feature that was not planned for Jamstix and was introduced after release based on customer requests. It is much easier to implement an unplanned function via ini files since no GUI considerations have to be made. Jamstix 2 will have this in the GUI.
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| Quote: | | The MIDI split is a feature that was not planned for Jamstix and was introduced after release based on customer requests. It is much easier to implement an unplanned function via ini files since no GUI considerations have to be made. Jamstix 2 will have this in the GUI. |
A little OT here but considering the GUI. I am very happy with the functionality of Jamstix so far despite the MANY GPF's and crashes I have experienced. That's not really a complaint. I'm suprised it works as well as it does considering all the different hosts/VST's and programs it must potentially interface with... I'm also very pleased with the support and rate in which you have supplied patches and updates. I'm not overjoyed with updating the program that often but I imagine most issues will be sorted out in the near future.
I would like to do more with the program but I have a difficult time with the GUI. It really has more to do with the colors and font effects than the feature layout. The way the features are laid out is very good once you get used to it (great job!)
However.... When using the program, I have to stand up lean forward and literally get personal with the monitors to do anything with this program. I can only think of two other pieces of software that I've had to do this with and that's because of their extremely small font size... and I have been doing this for a living since the Masterpiece and Dr. T's days.... Jamstix could really stand some improvement in this area especially since it already has the existing screen real-estate. I feel you could really provide more contrast between the text and skin color and LOSE the font effects- plain and bold should suffice. This would make the program so much better to work with. It's not the fact that I hate the color scheme but I simply can't decipher the text like I can with almost every other program/vst/etc. I have tried to wait until I saw some mention of the GUI before I posted this, but this really is a HUGE sore point with me about the program...
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Ralph [RZ]
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| dach wrote: |
A little OT here but considering the GUI. I am very happy with the functionality of Jamstix so far despite the MANY GPF's and crashes I have experienced.
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You shouldn't be getting GPFs. Could you elaborate a bit more on that and also describe your system/host?
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I'm not overjoyed with updating the program that often but I imagine most issues will be sorted out in the near future.
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We are actually putting out a lot of enhancements in the updates, not just fixes.
| Quote: | When using the program, I have to stand up lean forward and literally get personal with the monitors to do anything with this program. I can only think of two other pieces of software that I've had to do this with and that's because of their extremely small font size... and I have been doing this for a living since the Masterpiece and Dr. T's days.... Jamstix could really stand some improvement in this area especially since it already has the existing screen real-estate. I feel you could really provide more contrast between the text and skin color and LOSE the font effects- plain and bold should suffice. This would make the program so much better to work with.
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Jamstix has VERY limited screen space so it's all a bit crowded. We haven't had any complaints on label readability other than yours, yet.
We'll take this into consideration for future versions.
Thanks for the feedback!
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| Quote: | | You shouldn't be getting GPFs. Could you elaborate a bit more on that and also describe your system/host? |
I am using Cubase SX 2.2 and DFHS/C&V/Stormdrum. P4 3.4G/2GR - XP Home. I have installed the latest jamstix beta's but not 1.2 yet. I get various crashes.. the most disturbing being the one that Windows states you have just recovered from a serious error after hard reboot. The crashes I experience are fairly common but only when using Jamstix.
I won't go into why I have not installed SX3 but will just say that Digidesign has taught me over the years to let the dust settle before performing any upgrades here. I don't mind being a little behind the curve as long as we experience no downtime. This forum has been very helpful as to whether I should install the latest beta.
| Quote: | | We are actually putting out a lot of enhancements in the updates, not just fixes. |
You are correct. I did not mean otherwise. It's a fantastic program. It's worth much much more than you are charging. I am also suprised at the speed in which you are updating the program based on user feedback... great customer service! Imagine Digi doing that!
| Quote: | Jamstix has VERY limited screen space so it's all a bit crowded. We haven't had any complaints on label readability other than yours, yet.
We'll take this into consideration for future versions. |
I think JS has plenty of space compared to others. Each tabs layout seems to be very good. If it were possible to stick all the CRT's 2ft directly in front of me, it would not be an issue at all, however I can't. My only real gripe is to eliminate the font "bleeding" and perhaps give more contrast between the skin and text. If I stand directly in front of Jamstix and other software and slowly move back, I lose the ability to decipher the "green" text in Jamstix well before anything else and some of the JS text is larger than the others. (The major exception being anything that runs in Kompakt in which the patch list is ridiculously small). I doubt I'm the only one that feels this way.
| Quote: | | Thanks for the feedback! |
Thanks for the quick reply and great product.
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| dach wrote: |
I am using Cubase SX 2.2 and DFHS/C&V/Stormdrum. P4 3.4G/2GR - XP Home. I have installed the latest jamstix beta's but not 1.2 yet. I get various crashes.. the most disturbing being the one that Windows states you have just recovered from a serious error after hard reboot. The crashes I experience are fairly common but only when using Jamstix.
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SX 2.2 should work great. Make sure you have 'Stay-on-top' disabled on the Jamstix GUI, which can cause crashes. Do you have more detail on the serious error on hard reboot? Was it a STOP error?
| Quote: | My only real gripe is to eliminate the font "bleeding" and perhaps give more contrast between the skin and text.
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Got it 
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Ralph,
Have you any tips on using Jamstix with stormdrum (kompact mode) as far as getting rhythms similar to the fantastic intact loops and demos? (using the big tribal sounding instruments, not the builtin standard drumkits)??
BTW I am a non-drummer so pls use your best layman speak...
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I haven't had a chance to mess much with Jamstix and SD. I found the standard drum kits of SD disappointing and unrealistic but the big drum stuff is awesome.
What I would do is experiment with assigning various sounds in SD. I would set JS to play a fairly complex groove and then I would pick a big drum on the kick and a higher-pitched drum on the snare. Next I would look for glassy or delicate-sounding drums for the hihat.
I would also set tom accents (or accentuation if it's a free jam) very high and assign various cool fat drums to the tom slots.
I always wanted to do this kind of experimenting but never had the time...one day I will.
If you get some cool mappings going, please share!
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