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voodoochile
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 Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject: Locked bars are muted ? |
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I fooled around in keyword jam, set some bars to different rhythms and locked them. On playback they just don't play. Same in manual jam. Unlocking, fine, you can hear the drums again.
Bug ? Intented ? Why ?
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No wait, it's different. Can't reproduce the muting effect, but what it does now, is repeating the first rhyhtm when the others are locked. Unlocking allows the intented rhyhtms to play, so maybe at first I had an empty rhythm on slot 1.
Now I got it: the last rhythm before locking is being played.
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(BTW: no more crashs when in "always on top" in Cubase) |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Locked bars are muted ? |
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| voodoochile wrote: | I fooled around in keyword jam, set some bars to different rhythms and locked them. On playback they just don't play. Same in manual jam. Unlocking, fine, you can hear the drums again.
Bug ? Intented ? Why ?
(V 1.2)
No wait, it's different. Can't reproduce the muting effect, but what it does now, is repeating the first rhyhtm when the others are locked. Unlocking allows the intented rhyhtms to play, so maybe at first I had an empty rhythm on slot 1.
Now I got it: the last rhythm before locking is being played.
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You must play a bar at least once before locking it. We'll add a notice to the GUI.
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voodoochile
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Locked bars are muted ? |
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| Zauni wrote: |
You must play a bar at least once before locking it. We'll add a notice to the GUI. |
Maybe I'm stupid...
Does not work...
Jamstix does not switch rhythms as they are laid out in the arranger for locked bars, no matter if I play them unlocked one time through or not.
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Locked bars are muted ? |
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| voodoochile wrote: | | Zauni wrote: |
You must play a bar at least once before locking it. We'll add a notice to the GUI. |
Maybe I'm stupid...
Does not work...
Jamstix does not switch rhythms as they are laid out in the arranger for locked bars, no matter if I play them unlocked one time through or not.
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I think this is a misunderstanding. Locking a bar means you are freezing it in its current state. A locked bar will not be rhythm-switched anymore.
Try this:
- start a fresh project and let Jamstix free jam for a few bars
- now freeze one of the bars
- change the free jam settings dramatically and play again from the start
- all bars should change except for the locked bar who will still sound as it did during the first free jam.
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voodoochile
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Locked bars are muted ? |
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| Zauni wrote: | Locking a bar means you are freezing it in its current state. A locked bar will not be rhythm-switched anymore.
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Yes.
But I have different rythms for different bars. I lock them all. Play again. I don't expect the rythm itself to be modified, but to switch from rythm 1 to 2 if bar 1 has rythm 1, and bar 2 ryhtm 2, just as I see it.
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Locked bars are muted ? |
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| voodoochile wrote: | | Zauni wrote: | Locking a bar means you are freezing it in its current state. A locked bar will not be rhythm-switched anymore.
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Yes.
But I have different rythms for different bars. I lock them all. Play again. I don't expect the rythm itself to be modified, but to switch from rythm 1 to 2 if bar 1 has rythm 1, and bar 2 ryhtm 2, just as I see it.
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The rhythms don't switch because there's no point anymore. If you freeze the bar, Jamstix will always play the frozen data and nothing else. As soon as it encounters an unlocked bar it will switch if the arrangement calls for it.
To approach from a different angle: what do you expect from a rhythm switch on a locked bar?
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voodoochile
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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I expect Jamstix to follow my arrangement every time a new bar begins, *but*, to keep from changing accents, fills, etc. (that's what's manual jam and the "use arrangement" buttons is for, isn't it ?)
I don't get the sense of playing the previous rhythm every time a locked bar is encountered. What's that's for ? |
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I don't get the sense of playing the previous rhythm every time a locked bar is encountered. What's that's for ? |
Here's what it's for. Let's say you do a free jam and then you review the result. You do like bars 9 and 15 a lot but the rest stinks. So you lock 9 and 15 then change the free jam settings and jam again with Jamstix changing all bars except 9 and 15.
There are other uses but this is what it was designed for based on user requests.
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voodoochile
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Zauni wrote: |
Here's what it's for. Let's say you do a free jam and then you review the result. You do like bars 9 and 15 a lot but the rest stinks. So you lock 9 and 15 then change the free jam settings and jam again with Jamstix changing all bars except 9 and 15.
There are other uses but this is what it was designed for based on user requests. |
Good. But why does it affect playback in manual jam mode at all ?
You're in free jam using locks until you like it all, switch to manual jam, forget about the locks, and wondering what the heck is going on... |
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| voodoochile wrote: |
Good. But why does it affect playback in manual jam mode at all ?
You're in free jam using locks until you like it all, switch to manual jam, forget about the locks, and wondering what the heck is going on... |
Locked is locked. If we'd suddenly release the locks when the user goes to manual, we 'd get loads of E-mails "Why did my locks open by themselves??"
If you are in manual and for some reason don't want your locks anymore, just click 'Toggle Locks'.
I guess, I just don't see the problem here... 
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voodoochile
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| Zauni wrote: |
I guess, I just don't see the problem here... |
Then take a look at chapter 11 of the manual ...
Behaviour of manual jam is clearly decribed.
I tried to explain before what the main problem of the user interface is. Now Jamstix is acting in modes, bad, well, but worse, you have switches switching off or layering other switches...
In manual jam, going on playing the last rhythm before locking and ignoring the laid out rhythm is a bug.
Ok, I surrender. This is a pity. Jamstix has the core of a very good piece of software... but every time, and I'm not exaggerating, I tried to get it going I got stuck on e.g. effectless controls, shuffle and hihat problems, arranger, inaudible kick drums...
The one reason to use Jamstix is to be able to concentrate on the one thing: playing guitar
I don't want to think which mode I set on another tab page to decide which behaviour I may expect or if I found a bug or not.
I don't want any computer hassles at all.
I don't want to event notice it.
Computers and software are for humans and should be designed this way.
Dead easy to understand. No compromise.
Check this out:
"The Design Of Everyday Things", Donald A. Norman
"The Humane Interface. New Directions for Designing Interactive Systems.", Raskin
May check it out again some other day and some revisions later.
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