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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 9:23 am    Post subject: Ready to buy, but a few problems Reply with quote

Hi. I think Jamstix is a groundbreaking concept, I am basically ready to buy and am already recommending it to other musicians (some of them commercial artists). I started making my own music 20 years ago. I play 5 instruments and used to give percussion lessons (mainly congas) and drumming lessons.
My story is that a few years ago I started working with Cubase and other complex tools, but due to their "endless possibilities" (which I find *bad* for a musician) I spent more time with the software than with making music. The result is that today, I am looking for simple solutions. So I am in the process of setting up a compact and easy to use setup with an easy to use DAW (Tracktion was my choice) and only a few realistic sounding virtual instruments. Like a one man band.
For the past weeks I tried to find a solution for having a realistic drumkit in my music. I tested *all* the soundfonts that claimed to sound realistic but deleted most of them, I tested sample banks like the Blue Jay series and was still unhappy with them, and finally found myself assembling my own drumkit soundfonts. The result was okay but not good enough: Most of these kits sound okay when played solo but they suck when used in a dense mix.
Then I tested Jamstix, liked its interactive features, was extremely impressed with Ziokiller's demo tunes, and was surprised that the standard drumkit sounds quite realistic.
In the last two days I tested Jamstix - but I also want to use it as a normal drum sample module that plays the MIDI I have recorded, not only for jams.
So I take a mix with some tracks and insert Jamstix, then I adjust the ambience (for my taste the standard setting is way too much!), I increase the kick volume (way too low in the standard setting), and I adjust the snare so it sounds tighter (less sustain). After some tweaking the built-in kit sounds more or less okay. But:
- It seems that the snare drum sound is always a little "after the beat". I actually must time-adjust the drum track to make it hit on the beat. Why is that? I tried adjusting it with the "pocket" settings but still the snare (or even the whole drumkit) always plays a little behind the beat and I have to adjust the track a bit.
- Sometimes the cymbals get "cut off". Why is that? I tried to increase polyphony but it doesn't seem to help.
- I would like to test it with another snare (but keeping the other instruments). Can I load a different snare sample into the standard kit?
- What about percussion, especially: Congas (at least 4 different sounds for them if possible)? If I buy it, will those be in the kit?
- It seems the MIDI mapping of the kit does not follow the GM standard? When I play Jamstix in a normal MIDI track (yeah those MIDI song files you can find on the web) the kick drum does not play and the second snare drum also seems unusally mapped?
- When I load Jamstix in Tracktion, the whole interface becomes slow, my mouse cursor moves slowly (I guess choppy is the word) and the whole interface cannot be operated smoothly anymore - but strange enough my CPU load indicator is not even in the red zone. I might mention I have the newest Dell workstation with 3,6Ghz Xeon, 1GB RAM, 15k rpm harddisk, so my machine is powerful. Can I do something about this so the mouse movement is not choppy anymore? I only observe this effect with Jamstix, not with other VSTi's.
- When I try an audio jam with my real guitar, Jamstix does all kindsa crazy fills that do not seem logical. How to set it so it only makes very little variations (e.g. only on the hi-hats)? - I tried reducing all the sliders but still, sometimes the velocitiy slider goes up all the way to the right! Even though I am not playing hard at that moment. I have an Audiophile 2496 soundcard so it should not be a latency problem. Why does the velocity slider jump all the way up all of a sudden?

Phew. Smile Lots of questions, hope you can answer some of them.

btw, if you would sell Jamstix with *two different* drumkits integrated, so one can choose between two kits that both sound realistic, it would be even much better. Increased size and download time, yes, but I would love that. If there were 2 kits in Jamstix I could completely forget about buying BFD and DFHS (which I don't really need).

Greetings from Switzerland (and sorry, English is not my language Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: Ready to buy, but a few problems Reply with quote

sonicsmurf wrote:

- It seems that the snare drum sound is always a little "after the beat". I actually must time-adjust the drum track to make it hit on the beat. Why is that? I tried adjusting it with the "pocket" settings but still the snare (or even the whole drumkit) always plays a little behind the beat and I have to adjust the track a bit.

- When I load Jamstix in Tracktion, the whole interface becomes slow, my mouse cursor moves slowly (I guess choppy is the word) and the whole interface cannot be operated smoothly anymore - but strange enough my CPU load indicator is not even in the red zone. I might mention I have the newest Dell workstation with 3,6Ghz Xeon, 1GB RAM, 15k rpm harddisk, so my machine is powerful. Can I do something about this so the mouse movement is not choppy anymore? I only observe this effect with Jamstix, not with other VSTi's.

- Sometimes the cymbals get "cut off". Why is that? I tried to increase polyphony but it doesn't seem to help.



These points are odd and may be related. Is this Jamstix 1.2? Please do this:

add the line 'Logging=1' to your jamstix.ini file in the Jamstix folder. Then load Jamstix into Tracktion again and reproduce the choppiness. After that, send the 'rzdlog.txt' file from your Jamstix folder to support@rayzoon.com. It will contain debug info that may help us understand the problem.


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- I would like to test it with another snare (but keeping the other instruments). Can I load a different snare sample into the standard kit?

You can change the samples used in the mapping tab and then save it as a new kit (mapping). Select Snare on top and then your desired sample in the sample box below.

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What about percussion, like congas? If I buy it, will those be in the kit?


The full version has chimes, shakers, cowbell and tambourine. In the manual you can see the control screen for it. It's geared toward accompanying percussion. A full percussionist plugin is scheduled for late 2005/early 2006, called 'Jamcussion'.

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- It seems the MIDI mapping of the kit does not follow the GM standard? When I play Jamstix in a normal MIDI track (yeah those MIDI song files you can find on the web) the kick drum does not play and the second snare drum also seems unusally mapped?

The kick is standard GM #36. We do not use the second kick and snare of GM and that may cause the problem. You can easily create your own mapping, though, in the mappings tab and then save it for later use.

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- When I try an audio jam with my real guitar, Jamstix does all kindsa crazy fills that do not seem logical. How to set it so it only makes very little variations (e.g. only on the hi-hats)? - I tried reducing all the sliders but still, sometimes the velocitiy slider goes up all the way to the right! Even though I am not playing hard at that moment. I have an Audiophile 2496 soundcard so it should not be a latency problem. Why does the velocity slider jump all the way up all of a sudden?

Until we solve your 'slow mouse' issue I cannot exclude that this is all related. But generally, look into the 'Free Jam Quick Start' guide in the Jamstix start menu, which talks about how to adjust audio input for free jam using trim and input velocity map.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: Ready to buy, but a few problems Reply with quote

Zauni wrote:

add the line 'Logging=1' to your jamstix.ini file in the Jamstix folder. Then load Jamstix into Tracktion again and reproduce the choppiness. After that, send the 'rzdlog.txt' file from your Jamstix folder to support@rayzoon.com

Done.

Zauni wrote:

You can change the samples used in the mapping tab and then save it as a new kit (mapping). Select Snare on top and then your desired sample in the sample box below.

The full version has chimes, shakers, cowbell and tambourine. In the manual you can see the control screen for it. It's geared toward accompanying percussion. A full percussionist plugin is scheduled for late 2005/early 2006, called 'Jamcussion'.

So this means I am stuck with the internal snare drum sample (unless I buy one of the large drum sample modules) and I cannot use Jamstix to include some congas (would have been interesting to hear Jamstix variations with them) Sad

Zauni wrote:

A full percussionist plugin is scheduled for late 2005/early 2006, called 'Jamcussion'.

Wow! Smile but that's a little long for me to wait.

Zauni wrote:

We do not use the second kick and snare of GM and that may cause the problem.

Alright, so I can make my own mapping.

Thanks for the quick answer. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: Ready to buy, but a few problems Reply with quote

sonicsmurf wrote:
So this means I am stuck with the internal snare drum sample (unless I buy one of the large drum sample modules) and I cannot use Jamstix to include some congas (would have been interesting to hear Jamstix variations with them) Sad

Sure you can. Just load a Soundfont player (like the free sfz) into Jamstix or load it into a rack with Jamstix. You can then use any Soundfont you want with Jamstix. You can also export the MIDI from Jamstix, import it as a MIDI track into Tracktion and then route/split etc.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: Ready to buy, but a few problems Reply with quote

Oops, I completely forgot the soundfont player (and the MIDI possibilities)! Embarassed
Thanks, this will be the solution Smile

Oh, the "slow mouse" problem is solved:
In Tracktion, the function "use realtime priority mode" (which is actually quite useful) was enabled. I disabled this Tracktion function and the mouse cursor reacts normal now. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Ready to buy, but a few problems Reply with quote

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Oh, the "slow mouse" problem is solved:
In Tracktion, the function "use realtime priority mode" (which is actually quite useful) was enabled. I disabled this Tracktion function and the mouse cursor reacts normal now. Cool


Thanks for the tip and I've posted this to the Tracktion thread in the Jamstix support forum as well. What about the timing issues and cut-off cymbals? Are these problems still there?

To all others: disable RP mode only if you are experiencing these problems. I use RP mode and do not have the mouse issue.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Ready to buy, but a few problems Reply with quote

Zauni wrote:
What about the timing issues and cut-off cymbals? Are these problems still there?

Seems all solved.
I just bought Jamstix and installed everything, now I'll use it for a while and check if all problems are gone Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Ready to buy, but a few problems Reply with quote

sonicsmurf wrote:
Zauni wrote:
What about the timing issues and cut-off cymbals? Are these problems still there?

Seems all solved.
I just bought Jamstix and installed everything, now I'll use it for a while and check if all problems are gone Smile


We're here to help if any issues arise Smile
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