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Feature request: 7/4 time signature
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't quite understand what prevents JS2 from having the option to have any time signature, not just 7/4 - 13/4 should be possible too, so should 15/4, and etc..

As long as the host is set to the same signature, there should be no issue.

Or is it something else that means you can't do it?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bar editor is physically limited to 26 16th notes as is the internal A.I.

We are currently planning to extend this in some future update alongside new options for a larger interface. There is a good chance that this won't happen until Jamstix 3 late 2008 due to the huge changes needed to make this happen.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh... riiight, I understand.

Well as a future usability idea then:

In BFD2, you can string together patterns in a "drum track" - this is basically a single track song-sheet.

So perhaps, rather than have parts that are a certain length long, have "parts" that you place on the drum track. These would contain no midi information at all. These would contain a list of instructions for the drummer to play, and they could be accessed from a bank of "part presets" - of course each part would generate its own midi, and this would be editable as it is now.

So if I wanted to recreate the following, for instance:

4 bars of 5/4
1 bar of 4/4
3 bars of 5/4
2 bars of 6/4

It would be a simple matter of creating a new part. Specifying the time signature, letting the brain program the beat, adjust the beat to my liking.

Now I have a part I'm happy with. I drag it into place on the drum-track. This could even include basic copy/paste/duplicate/delete functions too, so that building a song wouldn't be as much of a chore as it is currently.

I dunno if you're feeling that idea, but make what you will of it. I really dig this program, and I'd like to see it evolve to a stage where it is quite transparent and doesn't impede the creative process.

Peace!

ps: this is how I'm using BFD2 at the moment. I'm using Jamstix to create patterns, record the output as midi, put it into BFD2, and then just line everything up on its drum track.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duly noted.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ralph [RZ] wrote:
Set the host to 7/8 and halve the BPM. Now use the song menu and click 'Groove Weights'->'Load' and then use the 'Double Time' file. This should yield much better results.

I tried this, but it only works the first time. I have 4 7/4 bars: I set it to 7/8 and half time. The first two bars are okay but the second ones are not. Weird thing is that I even tried to make two parts with the same content, but also here the first one works but not the second. I really can't find a way to get something like 7/4, even when manually editing all notes. I'm getting pretty ****** here...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look, JS2 just doesn't do 7/4 at this time, period. We'll try to address this in the future but as it stands now there is no other virtual drummer on the market that does as many odd time sigs as Jamstix 2.

Personally, I can work around the 7/4 issue very easily by using 7/8 at half the BPM. There is no difference between a 1/4 note and a 1/8 note in percussion other than BPM.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore this = all this time I've been missing the obvious.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a topic that interests me since I use odd time sigs often. I've already given Ralph a headache with this stuff earlier on. That said, I think JS2 needs to be able to support 16th notes as well. I'd like to be able to do 5/16, 7/16 etc. I've tried using 5/8 or 7/8 and halving the BPM but that doesn't always work consistently. I'll have to send you a separate note when I can Ralph but there was a different issue I've be experiencing that I wanted to ask you about. I just have been too busy to post it. I've know you've been busy too!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ralph [RZ] wrote:
Look, JS2 just doesn't do 7/4 at this time, period. We'll try to address this in the future but as it stands now there is no other virtual drummer on the market that does as many odd time sigs as Jamstix 2.

Personally, I can work around the 7/4 issue very easily by using 7/8 at half the BPM. There is no difference between a 1/4 note and a 1/8 note in percussion other than BPM.


I'm not a drummer, but as a guitarist/keyboardist/violinist (of questionable ability however, especially at the latter two), one of the things that I've heard a great many times from music teachers is that time signatures are not fractions. The most obvious example of this is 3/4 vs. 6/8- treated as fractions they should have the same 'feel', but they do not. I haven't experimented much with 7/4, but I would bet it's the same. Just throwing my two cents in.
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