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idrisguitar
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Strongly Considering Buying. This could be a life saver Reply with quote

I Just had my 21st Smile and i have bene buying some software that i need.

I have just bought BFD and bfd JnF.

But after using it for a few weeks I have found that, (while very rewarding and effective) programming the beats in myself (using the cubase drum editor) to match the music can be VERY tiresome and basically a big chore.

This software sounds like a life saver in many ways for me, however i have many questions.

1: I have watched the videos, but would like to know how effective jamstix2 is with general audio (as i know it is awesome with midi). i will be using miked guitar as my main instruments, however a piano, and violin will be used as midi as well.

2: is it easy to set up jamstix with all the sampels i will get from bfd, and if so will i need the XL pack? if im providing my own samples, or does the XL pack include other thingsas well as just extra samples.?

3: do i need to load bfd? or do i simply import the files into jamstix2.

4: in relation to the above question if yes does jamstix support the amount of velocity layers bfd Jnf samples have (over 100 at least i think).

thats all i can think of right now,

this producct looks great and the price looks even better, i think this creation is one of the most impressive things i have seen on the vst market in years and is definetly worthy of a purchase.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Strongly Considering Buying. This could be a life saver Reply with quote

idrisguitar wrote:
1: I have watched the videos, but would like to know how effective jamstix2 is with general audio (as i know it is awesome with midi). i will be using miked guitar as my main instruments, however a piano, and violin will be used as midi as well.

Audio jamming adjusts the song power of JS2 to the averaged audio signal, which affects drum dynamics and switch rules. Any signal that represents the overall dynamic of the song well will work best, such as guitar, piano or a sub-bus.

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2: is it easy to set up jamstix with all the sampels i will get from bfd, and if so will i need the XL pack? if im providing my own samples, or does the XL pack include other thingsas well as just extra samples.?
do i need to load bfd? or do i simply import the files into jamstix2.

XL Pak only adds samples. Using BFD is very simple with JS2, just load the BFD mapping that comes with it. JS2 will actually drive BFD as if it was part of itself.

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4: in relation to the above question if yes does jamstix support the amount of velocity layers bfd Jnf samples have (over 100 at least i think).

Yes, since it does not use BFD samples directly but the whole BFD engine.

You can try this all out with the JS2 demo.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi, thanks for the replies,

i have tried the demo,

but have basically turned out VERY horrible results,

now while that can obviously be down to poor knowledge of the software it has slightly put a damper on the excitement, as i have an inkling it might be down the the audio im trying jamstix 2 to drum over, that is making it so scattered and all over the place.

heres the guitar riff(s) i was trying jamstix to play over (already recorded at 160bpm, 4/4)

http://download.yousendit.com/197EB3FB2443822C

im hoping you can convince me that with more experience and knowledge this riff can be effectively drummed over with jamstix2 and maybe even show a sample you can quickly mock up (obviously your a busy man so dont worry if you have more important things to do Smile)

hope you can convince me further Very Happy

thanks a lot
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recommend you use 'Jam No Input' in the beginning. The groove is controlled by the brain not by the audio data.

Here is what I did:

- added MP3 to project
- assumed a BPM of 80 and set host to that
- added JS2 and loaded quickstart rock

Since your clip has no intro, I removed the 'Intro' part from JS2. I listened to your clip and determined part lengths. Your first part is 4x2 so I adjusted the bar length and reps accordingly. I then selected style '8th rock' and drummer 'James Stix'. I also checked both fill boxes in the song sheet.

I then used 'Add Part - After' to create copy of this part for the B part of your clip and set the 'Min Power' of the 'Auto Ride' low to get the ride going in that part.

Here is the result: http://www.rayzoon.com/stuff/idris1.mp3

I then changed styles and drummers for experimentation and fiddled with brain controls a bit, which yielded this one: http://www.rayzoon.com/stuff/idris2.mp3
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice job Ralph. I like the results.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats ace,

yeah i realise what i did wrong, i choose the wrong startup style (choose jazz instead of rock as the song template) and thats why it was all over the placed, i managed to get it working and im very impressed with what you can do,

with all the other styles and the other drummers it should give PLENTY of variation (more so than a real drummer i know who is very good but we dont have the mics to record him Wink).

this software is great and i cant wait to get the full program. ill just get the bfd and jnf samples sorted in he demo before purchasing, but know your support and quick replies even if i hgave been a bit stupid have really impressed me also.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

idrisguitar wrote:
thats ace,

yeah i realise what i did wrong, i choose the wrong startup style (choose jazz instead of rock as the song template) and thats why it was all over the placed, i managed to get it working and im very impressed with what you can do,

with all the other styles and the other drummers it should give PLENTY of variation (more so than a real drummer i know who is very good but we dont have the mics to record him Wink).

this software is great and i cant wait to get the full program. ill just get the bfd and jnf samples sorted in he demo before purchasing, but know your support and quick replies even if i hgave been a bit stupid have really impressed me also.


I am using the stock JS2 drumkit, and that blows away everyone that hears them coming out of my monitors. I can only imagine how awesome the XL drumkits are. I don't have the money to buy these expensive BFL and other drumkits, so this to me is a super blessing. I make my music for God and this is my ministry. So JS2 has been a true blessing in helping me with my drumtracks. So awsome I love this little program that I tell everyone, everywhere online and offline too.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ralph [RZ] wrote:
I recommend you use 'Jam No Input' in the beginning. The groove is controlled by the brain not by the audio data.
Here is what I did:
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That was really good!
I just wish I could get Jamstix to fit into some of my earlier musical sketches and ideas!

I rushed into buying (with the extra kits) when I saw the drum grid, which I miss from using Cubase many years ago (I now use Tracktion). I thought that I would be able to program my own parts and mix and match these with the various styles and drummers.

However, I've found Jamstix very difficult to understand. I try using the manual but things never seem to work as I would expect when adjusting the various sliders.

As an example I was trying out the Machine/E-custom drummer and style tonight. I wanted to see how to get some open high hats in the pattern I'd entered. I adjusted one of the six dials in the high hat section and instead of changes to the high hat pattern - I get a load of extra percussion noises added! When I put the dial back to where it was, all the percussion remained in place.

I'm sorry if this sounds like moaning but I think my poor brain is scrambled by jamstix. maybe I'm too stupid to understand it but I find all the dials and sliders very confusing. I'm on the verge of uninstalling it and looking for something else. It's obvious that Jamstix can give great results but for some reason I just can not get my head round the countless dials and sliders, none of which seem to do what I'd expect.

Sorry for the comments but I'm really struggling.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at this video which shows you how to code your own pattern in the bar editor and then use it with a style and drummer.
http://www.rayzoon.com/jamstix2_vid4.html

Let me know if I can assist you with that in any way.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

idrisguitar wrote:
thats ace,
with all the other styles and the other drummers it should give PLENTY of variation (more so than a real drummer i know who is very good but we dont have the mics to record him Wink).


You could get HIM to do the drum programming!

idrisguitar wrote:
this software is great and i cant wait to get the full program. ill just get the bfd and jnf samples sorted in he demo before purchasing, but know your support and quick replies even if i hgave been a bit stupid have really impressed me also.


I'm sure you'll hear from others, the software is stunning... even if you've had it for a long time you'll still be surprised at what it can do. The support is stunning - pre AND post sales.

You won't regret your purchase.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

im sold,

i just wrote another quick demo,

and now went into the settings and changed lot them making the drummer play the kick a bit less and low the intensity, added accent in the cool setting around the kick with very little power, and its sounds amazing and suited the audio so much. (this is without reading the manual yet as well!!! )

it MADE the whole part and the fact it took 2 minutes instead of half an hour to get that beat with all the power and variation changes with fills has pretty much told me that i can never do without this program again.



EDIT: heres a complete song i wrote today, jamstix is a life saver, if i had to program it the way i usually do i would be showing you this song in two days not right now!!!.

http://download.yousendit.com/B7BDC90707A4CC10



i have bought the xl bundle (even though i dont need the xl sample imainly for the discount on truepianos which sounds brilliant for the size, plus it is nice paying you what you deserve for this amazing program.)
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