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max
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 Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: OK Now I'm confused |
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Ummmm thought I understood this but I'm seeing something that don't I don't understand....
this is about free jam [is free jam the greatest thing since sliced bread?]
ok... seriously, maybe it's my mid quality midi input keyboard, but I would expect to see the velocity response slider follow the velocity of me hitting the keyboard keys differently than what I see...
I would expect to see it go full to the max whenever I really hit a key as hard as I can... no? What I'm seeing is that often if I'm playing single midi notes and hit a few keys very hard, one after the other... I often see the velocity slider drop to zero [far left] when I would have expected it to be at maximum [far right]...
I'm further confused by the knob to the right of the velocity slider.. I'm understanding that turning this clockwise increases JS's response to midi velocity input... and counter clockwise decreases it... Am I mistaken???
I ask, because I don't get the expected changes from this knob.\
I figure I must be doing something wrong since everyone else on the forum seems to have no problems with it... 
let's see... I'm doing all this in Chainer standalone, with just JS loaded.
Thanks for any help 
oh just a PS... yes the midi keyboard in use DOES have velocity... and it works fine with all other vsti's I've ever used. |
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StudioTM
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I don't know what you are doing wrong, but maybe you should try to change the input velocety curve on the mapping page.
Take a look at this
http://rayzoon.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=256
There is a PDF in there witch explain it.
Good luck.
Thor Mamen
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:53 am Post subject: Re: OK Now I'm confused |
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| max wrote: | ok... seriously, maybe it's my mid quality midi input keyboard, but I would expect to see the velocity response slider follow the velocity of me hitting the keyboard keys differently than what I see...
[I would expect to see it go full to the max whenever I really hit a key as hard as I can... no? What I'm seeing is that often if I'm playing single midi notes and hit a few keys very hard, one after the other... I often see the velocity slider drop to zero [far left] when I would have expected it to be at maximum [far right]... |
Jamstix uses averaging so you won't see instantaneous matching of Jamstix's velocity to your velocity. Without you'd have too much velocity "jumping". What you describe does sound a bit wrong so we'll check it out to be sure. If you have the time, could you record your MIDI input you described and send it as a MID,CWP or CPR, or whatever you can use, to support@rayzoon.com?
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I'm further confused by the knob to the right of the velocity slider.. I'm understanding that turning this clockwise increases JS's response to midi velocity input... and counter clockwise decreases it... Am I mistaken???
I ask, because I don't get the expected changes from this knob.\
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The knob should increase/decrease the averaged velocity but also check the velocity map in the mapping tab as Thor suggested.
What does the knob do for you?
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max
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What does the knob do for you? |
really I don't see it making much if any of a diff at all... if I turn it all the way to zero, I can tell there is a big reduction in JS noticing the midi input but other adjustments don't see to follow in a way that makes sense to me...
with that said, now that you good folks have explained what is going on with JS doing an averaging of the velocity... what I've been seeing could just be my own mistaken expectations...
thanks for the advice about the velocity curve settings... I'll go try that... that could indeed be what my 'prob' has been and I just didn't know enough to adjust it....
PS ok back after some more looking into this...
Mostly it seems to have been me and ignorance, so I really thank you all for pointing the way to deal with it.... it now seems to me that adjusting the velocity in the graph where we can draw solves most of what was strange to me.... I think at least for the moment I'm ok with this part...
many thanks for all the kind help
I'm pretty sure its user idiocy in this case and not a JS problem... so let me go try to learn it better before I start bothering you with sending midi files, etc.
thanks to all for the great support once again.
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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The whole combo of averaging, trimming, mapping and limiting of velocity can be confusing at first but once you get used to it it gives you a lot of freedom and control to adjust Jamstix to your play style.
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Max, we just found and squashed a bug in the beta that would cause velocity to drop to zero under these conditions:
- using MIDI input
- having input trim higher than middle position
- playing with high velocity
We updated the original links in the 1.03 thread to fixed versions. Could you check if this helps with your MIDI jam experience?
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GregHolmes
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I was going to report that I also saw what Max saw (velocity jumping back down to zero when playing hard via MIDI). It looked like a numerical wrapping error (the MIDI velocity wrapping past 127 back to 0). And it occured when playing hard and the input was higher than half way. Sound familiar? 
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max
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Ralph yeps that seems to be what it was.... and I'm sooo glad to know I'm not just crazy ....
the behaviour of the bug was really confusing me, since I'm so newbie to JS.... I was looking for all kinds of things that I was doing wrong...
thanks for the fix and thanks for letting me know! |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:34 am Post subject: |
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It's the downside of releasing betas in a public forum. The bugs can be confusing to new users.
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