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[J van E]

A post in another topic made me think a little...

[Art_Vandelay]

I agree with all these suggestions. While I personally find the new pattern editor to work very well for me conceptually, much more so than the old JS1 interface, it does take a lot of clicking to execute. In other words, I find that I quickly know how to create the basic pattern I'm after (which is great), but it takes a little longer than I'd like to make it happen (not too bad, but your ideas seem like good ways to streamline things).

While on the subject of updates to the bar editor, 'undo' and 'redo' functions would be great -- would make it quicker and easier to experiment, w/o fear of botching what you've already got going.

[Dewdman42]

For me personally, I'm not so interested in the drummer-arm-leg authenticity. Maybe someday I will be. But I just want to make cool drum tracks, I could care less if a real drummer can play it. I have to agree that I'm a little dissappointed with the grid editor which is based so much on the arm-leg stuff that its really cumbersome to edit. I would suggest some enhancements there. I would prefer to see a complete grid(perhaps optionally) that shows all of my instruments and allows me to program it.

Maybe there is a way to represent the arm-leg stuff while still providing a more complete grid. Screen space is also an issue. In which case maybe the little grid that is there now could remain like it is, but allow me to open up another grid window that is more comprehensive.

[J van E]

First of all: I LOVE the limb aspect! I want realistic drumparts!

Second: I should have KNOWN some of my 'ideas' were already implemented...!!! And I should have read the manual better. Still, I though it would be a good idea to share the following for anyone who likes to make his own patterns in JS2 (and let the Brain add stuff to it later).

The thing is: you can simply drag and drop notes in the editor!!! So you only have to add one kick and then you can simply drag and drop them into another spot in that bar and it will be copied there! Dead easy! You can change velocity after that if you want to: that setting is copied also.

There are two methods to get things done:
1. In the golden window that pops up you see COPY and MOVE. If COPY is red, simply dragging and dropping a note will copy it. If MOVE is red, simply dragging and dropping an note will move it.
2. You can also force the modes: pressing CTRL while drag and dropping will copy the note, and pressing SHIFT will move it.

My advice: let the button stay on COPY, which simply copies any dragged and dropped notes, and if you want to move a note, press SHIFT while drag and dropping.

ANOTHER GREAT THING about this all, is that if you move an EMPTY box over a filled one, that filled note is DELETED! (You can erase a complete limb-part in a bar by clicking on the limbname (like LH) and click on Clear entire limb.

Well, this tricks really speed up editing bars, I can tell you. This really saves a lot of moving up and down with the mouse to get a pattern done!!!

[ProfRhino]

[Dewdman42]

I didn't make my comment about limbs to say the feature isn't cool. That is a cool feature. Sooner or later I will be glad of it. My comment is about the EDITOR which seems to be too focused on the limbs and not enough on the actual pattern. Maybe it makes sense for a drummer. For me, a non-drummer, its confusing.

[Ralph [RZ]]

We are hoping to add a new style in a future update that will be a lot like the old JS1 rhythm tab for those who loved that approach.
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[brown]

Not sure if im missing it, but is there a way to lock a limb (not individual notes)? so that recomposing doesnt ADD notes to it?

[Ralph [RZ]]

[tombuur]

I am sure JS2 will be improved along the way. But just give Ralph peace to fix the bugs first and get some well-deserved sleep too before he makes improvements.

Anyway, when it comes to adding new features to the bar editor, I could imagine something like a default "note" for each row. Much like many midi editors have notes of default length and velocity until you change it. This way you could quickly insert a series of kicks and HH notes.

Also the addition of crtl, shift and alt could have special functions like delete, copy to default etc. Cubase use such principles in the midi editor.

Well, I have just started learning JS2, so there are probably working things I have overlooked.

[Ralph [RZ]]

Using drag&drop in the bar editor makes things a lot quicker:

CTRL key copies notes via drag&drop so you only create one hihat note and then CTRL drag&drop copies quickly. SHIFT will move a note.

Dragging an empty cell onto a note deletes it.
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[tombuur]

Great. I have had a look at it.

It seems that it "remembers" what you did last. So if ctrl was pressed I can keep on copying by dragging without pressing ctrl again. Likewise pressing shift once, and you can move as long as you like. Is this intentional? My guess is no.

Anyway. Pressing ctrl and dragging is fine for copying. That's the Windows way of doing things. However, I don't think you need to press any additional keys for moving. Just click and drag. That would be the usual Windows way too.

That would leave alt and shift for other purposes.

I think it would be nice do several things while pressing alt. Pressing alt and clicking a beat will delete it. Pressing alt and clicking an empty space will insert a copy of the beat preceding. Pressing alt and moving the cursor up and down will change velocity of the selected beat. Maybe mouse wheel would do this too, or it could be used for timing or something else.

We need to think carefully what to use these combinations for. But I think it would be great to have such possibilities so you don't have to move up and down between the bar and the properties window above. With the above suggestions you can quickly edit while listening to the loop.

[J van E]

[tombuur]

Deleted. Reply to another forum somehow ended here.

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