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sammy24
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:27 am    Post subject: A few questions Reply with quote

Hi, ralph, congrats on the new release, and great job! Thanks for the quick hotfix, after going thru manual and trying it out i had indeed experienced some of those issues. Ok, questions: 1.What is the best way of going about setting up a part w/ a rhythm that is pretty "set"? I tried manually setting a rhythm, copying it to all the core bars, but then if u hit "recompose" it changes it all (when i wanted it to keep my manually set rhythm just recompose the accents etc.). The only thing i miss from version 1 is that in addition to all the sliders, i.e. variation, velocity, funkiness, complexity, u could set the pieces exactly, like the hi-hat rhythms, kick, snare. I feel a little like the sliders of amount/ bias are vague when fixing a specific rhythm, (as opp. to for a audio/midi jam, where that's perfect). Anyway, maybe u can give me some tips on really getting some more uniform, specific rhythms going.

2. When trying to run bfd, for some reason the bfd 1.5 all outputs mapping loads bfd up w/ a specific drumset installed instead of empty, wonder how that could be (unless somehow i previously resaved it while that kit was installed but i don't think so.) And the mappings were totally off for some reason, too (pretty much all the midi keys were wrong).

3.Also, is there a way to see the drum notation (above the bars) in large?
4. suggestions--it'd be nice if u could see the kit window as a separate window so u can check/adjust the bar editors from the main window while watching the kit play.
- Also, it'd be great to be able to solo from the main window (so u can edit and solo at the same time to hear your edits), maybe by the kit piece sliders or something, like there used to be in the rhythm section next to each piece.

Thanks, this really holds a lot of promise, as we all know, and you deserve a lot of credit for all the time and effort u have put in, and i wish u much success in this and future endeavors.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:05 am    Post subject: Re: A few questions Reply with quote

sammy24 wrote:
1.What is the best way of going about setting up a part w/ a rhythm that is pretty "set"? I tried manually setting a rhythm, copying it to all the core bars, but then if u hit "recompose" it changes it all (when i wanted it to keep my manually set rhythm just recompose the accents etc.).

If you want to make your own rhythm, you need to load the Silent style. You also need to load a drummer. When you load another style and edit it (even if it's in the core bar) any recomposing will reset everything to the initial loaded style.

So:
1. Load the style Silent
2. Load a drummer
3. Create a new part
4. Manually enter the notes you want.
Note: if the part is (for instance) 8 bars long, you need to fill all 8 parts manually! If you only edit the first bar of the eight, JS2 won't fill the other seven because it sees them as one big 'bar'. This may be confusing at first because when you set up a part of just one bar and let it repeat 7 times, all repetetions are filled automatically. You can easily copy a bar by rightclicking on the bar icon (at the bottom of the song sheet) and then rightclick and paste on the remaining bars.
So even if you have a simple one bar pattern throughout the song, it might be wise to make an 8 bar part with 8 exact copies of that one bar, because this will enable you to automatically get fills at repetitionpoints and transitionpoints after each 8 bars. If you make a part of only 1 bar, you can't really use the fills because they would occur after each and every bar.
This means you really have to think in songparts (intro, verse, chorus) and not in bars (as if every part should contain only ONE specific pattern ONCE) when using the songsheet (it isn't called SONGsheet for nothing Wink )

Hope I didn't make things more confusing... Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good info J van E. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're welcome.

Another method for a simple steady rhythm (which Ralph provided me yesterday) with just a few fills at certain moments can be made by making a 1 bar part and let it repeat throughout the song: in this case automatic repetition fills and transition fills can't be used, but you can add those manually by clicking on the right bar (where you want the fill to be), click on the fill tab, set it up and then click on the COMP button. YOu can ALWAYS add a fill manually (or better said: enable the brain to come up with a fill where YOU want it, regardless of the position within a part).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank u for your info. How do u save your own groove/style (can u?). And if u can do that when starting out from silent, couldn't u also start off w/ a preset style, edit it (all the core bars), then save it as a specific style? (rather than start completely from scratch?)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: A few questions Reply with quote

sammy24 wrote:
Anyway, maybe u can give me some tips on really getting some more uniform, specific rhythms going.

Make sure all accent sliders are zero. Use J van E' tips on making grooves from scratch and make sure 'Locking'->'Lock Manually Created Events' is checked in the bar editor menu so your manually placed notes don't get overwritten.

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2. When trying to run bfd, for some reason the bfd 1.5 all outputs mapping loads bfd up w/ a specific drumset installed instead of empty, wonder how that could be (unless somehow i previously resaved it while that kit was installed but i don't think so.) And the mappings were totally off for some reason, too (pretty much all the midi keys were wrong).

The kit file that comes with JS2 instructs BFD to load that kit. The keys may look off but they are correct (octave translation issue)

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Also, is there a way to see the drum notation (above the bars) in large?

Not sure what you mean...

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4. suggestions--it'd be nice if u could see the kit window as a separate window so u can check/adjust the bar editors from the main window while watching the kit play.
- Also, it'd be great to be able to solo from the main window (so u can edit and solo at the same time to hear your edits), maybe by the kit piece sliders or something, like there used to be in the rhythm section next to each piece.

Good ideas. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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4. Manually enter the notes you want.


Hi, I'm using Reaper. Unless I'm doing something wrong, (I assume you can just click on the place in the editor you want to put a note) I can not enter notes with the mouse. I've tried ctrl-click alt-click (crashed reaper), doulble click, right click, and left click. I can't find anything in the manual describing how to enter notes manually. Anyone else experiencing this?

Thanks,

Malcolm
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Click on a cell in the editor and then select the desired sound in the golden panel that opens above the bar editor.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hanks very much ralph for your detailed reply. btw i enjoyed reading your recent interview-- flying an airplane is easy, and once u learn u don't forget how, it's like riding a bicycle. Rolling Eyes Wink

the notation--that was stupid on my part, the tiny graphic of notation that is the slider above the timeline, i thought it was creating real notation, but after looking closer (with a microscope) i realized i was mistaken. Although maybe one day that wouldn't be too bad an idea, as we've discussed previously.

glad that the bfd mappings r ok-- however, still when i load it, it comes pre-loaded with the last drumkit that i used previously, rather than just load up empty, like usual, and then let me choose a kit. It's not really a big deal, just wanted to let u know.

sorry, just a cpl. more suggestions: could there maybe be a clearer visual on which bar in the timeline is currently playing? It turns white, on the border i think, but maybe it could be more readily noticeable, so that your eye is immediately attracted to the currently playing bar, etc., i kinda have trouble immediately locating it.

Also, i was thinking that there could be a way to show where u are in a part, within the arrangement as a whole, meaning: the timeline shows u the overall bar number, and the songsheet displays which part u are in, but in a long part or repeated part, it can get very confusing as to where u are within the part, esp. if u're starting and stopping playback in the middle,etc. This is made somewhat easier if u have transition/repeated fills, so u can see the green bar coming up in the timeline, but maybe under the song sheet there could be some easy display letting u know that u're in bar 5 of the 8 bar part.

And one last thing-- could there be a headline above the bar editor that says "Bar x" with the number of the bar that u are currently editing?

Thank u for your help! I will try all the suggestions, i think i'm getting it, as for anything, there's a learning curve, but hopefully getting toward the other side of that curve.
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