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weaverid Jammer

Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 36
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:55 am Post subject: demo questions and more |
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Fantastic product - can't wait for the full product release. I have questions about the demo version - and the full up version:
1) Is the free jam supposed to work with the demo. I couldn't get this feature to work. To free-jam with a keyboard type sound - am I supposed to point it to another midi track? I didn't see a control for that.
2) I could only get the drum pattern sounds from demo-jamstix when I put sonar in recording mode. Ultimately (with the full up version)- will jamstik be dumping midi notes into the track it is assigned to?
3) Should I only hear the jamstix patterns when I am recording - which appears to be the case with the demo? How do I preview patterns without recording?
4)Once midi notes are captured - I assume the notes will play thru jamstix. I am still confused on the basic work flow of how this will function!
5) I presume I can specify which measure I want a drum fill to occur?
6) Is jamstix a vsti and/or a dxi? When I installed it for Sonar - I ran the adapter and it turned up within Sonar as a dxi. I have other plug-ins that manifest themselves as a vsti AND a dxi. In a previous post on this forum was a comment saying thay jamstix was only a vsti.
7) After playing with jamstix demo for a 1/2hour - it seemed to freeze - and I had to re-start Sonar. It was looking pretty good until then! Would you care to comment on how robust the full-up jamstix will be?
What is the least expensive way to map to other drum kit sounds? I don't have DFH or other dedicated "drum" samples/modules. The drum kit that comes with jamstix sounds pretty good - but if I want to try some other kits - what are the options? (without spending too much moola). I realize I could manually post-edit the midi file to point to another drum sound/kit (I have sampletank). I just like the convenience of the jamstix.
Thanks
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Ralph [RZ] Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:15 am Post subject: Re: demo questions and more |
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Hi Weaverid,
thanks for the praise!
| weaverid wrote: | 1) Is the free jam supposed to work with the demo. I couldn't get this feature to work. To free-jam with a keyboard type sound - am I supposed to point it to another midi track? I didn't see a control for that.
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If you download the 0.99B demo update you will get an updated 'How To Jam' page in the manual, which explains the steps to free jam in detail for Cubase, Sonar and Tracktion. If you're still stuck, let me know and we'll go from there. Also, the video tutorial 'How To Free Jam' in your rayzoon start menu folder shows free jamming with Sonar 4
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2) I could only get the drum pattern sounds from demo-jamstix when I put sonar in recording mode. Ultimately (with the full up version)- will jamstik be dumping midi notes into the track it is assigned to?
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Jamstix is always sync'd with the host so you need to play or record to hear it play. Jamstix does output its notes to MIDI-Out (you need to use the loopback feature of DirectiXer to make this work in Sonar) and you can also save an entire performance to a MIDI file from the arranger tab and then import it wherever you want.
In the demo version, MIDI out and MIDI export are limited to bars 1 through 4
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3) Should I only hear the jamstix patterns when I am recording - which appears to be the case with the demo? How do I preview patterns without recording?
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4)Once midi notes are captured - I assume the notes will play thru jamstix. I am still confused on the basic work flow of how this will function!
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It's quite flexible, which means it can get confusing quickly but we're here to sort things out. If you use the MIDI Out, you'd record the output to a MIDI track and afterwards you can set Jamstix to MANUAL JAM, uncheck USE ARRANGEMENT and SILENCE the rhythm. Jamstix is now in 'dumb' mode and will simply play back the notes in the track.
However, MIDI out and export are really only needed if you want to use the Jamstix output without Jamstix or need to edit it.
If that is not the case, just do this: always have the MIDI track you are jamming on and the MIDI track for Jamstix armed and record while you are jamming. If you stop, set Jamstix to MANUAL JAM and play back, Jamstix will repeat the jam session again (almost) precisely. There's no need to capture its MIDI output.
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5) I presume I can specify which measure I want a drum fill to occur?
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The 'How To Use The Arranger' video tutorial illustrates how to add intro, fills and ending.
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6) Is jamstix a vsti and/or a dxi? When I installed it for Sonar - I ran the adapter and it turned up within Sonar as a dxi. I have other plug-ins that manifest themselves as a vsti AND a dxi. In a previous post on this forum was a comment saying thay jamstix was only a vsti.
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Yes, Jamstix is VSTi only
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7) After playing with jamstix demo for a 1/2hour - it seemed to freeze - and I had to re-start Sonar. It was looking pretty good until then! Would you care to comment on how robust the full-up jamstix will be?
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Sonar 4PE is our main sequencer here and we have tested extensively without freezes. Please keep us informed if you continue to experience these freezes and we'll contact you for more detailed information to research this further.
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What is the least expensive way to map to other drum kit sounds?
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You could load SampleTank in Jamstix. We did this once but we are having stability problems with ST2 by itself so we couldn't properly test.
Other than that you can always use the free rgc audio sfz soundfont player inside of Jamstix and load inexpensive drum fonts, such as from Sonic Implants. There's also a ton of free drum soundfonts on the net! _________________ Ralph Zeuner
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weaverid Jammer

Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 36
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: demo questions and more |
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Thanks for the rapid reponse - and the help.
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Jamstix is always sync'd with the host so you need to play or record to hear it play. Jamstix does output its notes to MIDI-Out (you need to use the loopback feature of DirectiXer to make this work in Sonar) and you can also save an entire performance to a MIDI file from the arranger tab and then import it wherever you want.
In the demo version, MIDI out and MIDI export are limited to bars 1 through 4
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Sorry - you lost me ... the "loopback feature of DirectiXer"? I have Sonar 3PE. That feature hasn't jumped out at me yet ... at least I wasn't aware of it. Is there some obscure option I have to select? Normally I have only input notes via my keyboard ... or directly through the piano roll track windows.
I never saw any notes turn up in bars 1 thru 4... so I obviously wasn't doing something correctly.
I noticed the option of exporting the notes to a file. That seems clear. I was hoping to avoiding the export/import steps if I could dump into the midi tract directly.
I envision using jamstix to create 95% of the drum tract. For example - I didn't see any way to adjust swing/syncopation. I know Sonar can help with that.
Thanks
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Ralph [RZ] Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: demo questions and more |
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| weaverid wrote: |
Sorry - you lost me ... the "loopback feature of DirectiXer"? I have Sonar 3PE.
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DiectiXer is a separate product that wraps VSti as DXi for use in Sonar. The Cakewalk VST Adapter that comes with Sonar cannot do MIDI loopback, meaning it cannot transfer notes out of a VSTi to Sonar.
Without DirectiXer, Sonar cannot see any notes outputted by any VSTi.
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The MIDI export is probably not all that inconvenient.
Jamstix has a Shuffle switch in the Jam page that will affect any rhythm playing, giving it that 6/8-in-4/4 shuffle feel. Also, syncopation in Jamstix is done by Jamstix itself depending on the rhythm used or funkiness slider setting in free jam mode. Furthermore, you can use the Pocket panel in the jam tab to put the snare in the pocket (just a bit late) giving it that behind the beat feel of many top drummers.
We chose to do things this way because that's how a drummer thinks, he thinks about shuffling and his pocket rather than swing percentages.
Have fun jamming and I'm always here for any questions _________________ Ralph Zeuner
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weaverid Jammer

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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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I still can't get "free jam" to work.
The html manual says to hit the input echo button. Well - want do I need? - input echo "on" .... or "auto thru"?? I tried all combinations of the input echo button - but no drums.
Then the manual says hit "play" and interaction should occur. I get nothing. As a matter of fact when hitting "play" - absolutely nothing happens since there is nothing recorded in any track ... so there is nothing to play back. If I hit "record" - Sonar starts recording my keyboard and nothing comes out of Jamstix. The video says to hit "start" key - but in reality it hits the "record" key.
When I watch the video - it doesn't really explain how to set up jamstix so it knows you are playing a keyboard. Oddly it just hits the record button and the drums start kicking in. I notice that somehow the keyboard and jamstix just happen to all be selected in the track window. I try the same thing but it doesn't help.
Do I need some fancy vst adapter?
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weaverid Jammer

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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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I think I kinda figured out my problem: The "jam start/stop" mechanism is beyond my understanding! In the end I blanked out the box beside the keyboard icon (beside the jam start/stop thing). I don't know what A2 means as opposed to A-2. I have never seen a negative sign used to represent a midi key - I assume that is what it means. It doesn't help that the help box flickers badly(when you place your mouse pointer over the box/function). You can hardly read the help box.
If I tried to use the jam start/stop feature ... I just hit every key on my keyboard until the drums started. So for example I never figured out what key A2 was supposed to be. Plus - the keyboard button I couldn't figure out! Sorry!
Anyway - I finally had the free jam functioning - although I couldn't get the patterns used in the video. Does the full up version have more pattern selections? The concept is great - but I still haven't noticed a pleasing "swing" type of control.
Anyway - it is alot of fun to play with.
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Ralph [RZ] Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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The html manual says to hit the input echo button. Well - want do I need? - input echo "on" .... or "auto thru"?? I tried all combinations of the input echo button - but no drums.
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The track you are playing on and the track Jamstix is on must both be receiving your MIDI input. In Sonar 4, it is called the 'Input Echo' button on each track. I am not sure about Sonar 3 but I recall reading that it did have the capability to route MIDI input to multiple tracks.
You are right, you must hit RECORD and not PLAY if you have no recorded material, that's a mistake in the tutorial.
If you click the "Free Jam" jam button in the jam tab of Jamstix, all is ready to go for a free jam with MIDI. Hit Record in Sonar and watch the rhythm tab in Jamstix. You should see rhythms being generated and you should hear them even if you do not play on your keyboard.
Let's just do these steps:
- add Jamstix DXi in Sonar
- click on 'Free Jam' button
- arm any track for recording
- hit RECORD in Sonar
After a bar or so, you should hear Jamstix playing by itself.
Let me know how it goes _________________ Ralph Zeuner
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Ralph [RZ] Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| weaverid wrote: | The "jam start/stop" mechanism is beyond my understanding! In the end I blanked out the box beside the keyboard icon (beside the jam start/stop thing). I don't know what A2 means as opposed to A-2. I have never seen a negative sign used to represent a midi key - I assume that is what it means. It doesn't help that the help box flickers badly(when you place your mouse pointer over the box/function). You can hardly read the help box.
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Sorry it is a bit confusing! The Start/Stop checkbox is not checked by default so I didnt' even think about mentioning that. When it is checked, Jamstix will wait for you to press the key in the box before starting the jam (and it will also play a count-in and intro bar). The A-2 is two octaves lower than A0. We decided to include all possible notes in case someone uses fancy controllers for this.
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Anyway - I finally had the free jam functioning - although I couldn't get the patterns used in the video. Does the full up version have more pattern selections? The concept is great - but I still haven't noticed a pleasing "swing" type of control.
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In free jam, the patterns are mostly controlled by the 'Funkiness' and 'Complexity' sliders. In key word jam, it is based on library rhythms and the full version will have more rhythms available.
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Anyway - it is alot of fun to play with.
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Thanks for hanging in there. Jamstix can be quite complex to get into but we think it is rewarding and becomes more natural as you get used to it. We will also continue to find ways to simplify its usage and improve manuals and tutorials. _________________ Ralph Zeuner
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