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Bambule · Junior Jammer Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 3

Hi there,

just bought JamStix and still finding out how to take control over the drummer. Right now his not exactly doing what I want him to do:

1. How do I get straight triplets on the Hi Hat (perhaps with emphasizing the beats).?

2. Same as above but exactly each second triplet (x-x -x- x-x -x-)?

3. Many patterns use lot of Toms for fills, often I would prefer short vivid fills but mainly using Base, Snare and Hi Hat only. Is this possible?

thanks a lot.

Ralph [RZ] · Site Admin Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 13332

Bambule · Junior Jammer Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 3

Hi Ralph,

thanks for the reply so far. Please let me be more specific. I have the impression, that I lack control of the middle note of each triplet triple:

so

reults in

,
regardless whether I have shuffle enabled on the jam page or not.

with shuffle enabled on the jam page gives me

which is probably the same as

Now, how do I get

(I believe this is the HiHat groove of e.g. "Black Velvet" if I remember that correctly).

Christian

Ralph [RZ] · Site Admin Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 13332

'Black Velvet' is a 6/8 and the hihats are not triplets at all. A 8th triplet means that 3 8th notes span the time of a quarter. I don't remember the exact hihat pattern of the song right now but set your host to 6/8 and then look in the Jamstix rhythm library ('Load' in rhythm tab) for the keyword 6/8.
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Bambule · Junior Jammer Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 3

Honestly, I don't really know why certain pieces are notated in 6/8 or 12/8 measure while others in 4/4 even though their rhythm is clearly ternary, and thus require lots of triplets in the notation, shuffles for example.

Isn't it that these patterns sound identical, if you listen to them:

Christian

Ralph [RZ] · Site Admin Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 13332

I am a very bad score reader but in your first example (treble) there are 3 8th notes per bar which means each note covers the time of a quarter note. Remember that note length rarely matters in percussion. It is the distance between notes that matters. So here you have 3 notes that cover 3 quarter lengths so there are no triplets here at all other than that they happen to be 3 notes. Remember that a '8th triplet' is three notes that cover the space of a single quarter note.

In your 2nd example I see six 8th notes covering the space of 4 quarter notes. That means two groups of three each covering a half note and that makes them true 'Quarter Note Triplets'.

Hope this helps!
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GregHolmes · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:34 am Post subject:

Bambule, I agree that both notations sound the same, but, as you suggest, it is limitation of the notation systems we use. So, 4/4 in shuffle = 12/8 or 2 bars of 6/8, at least as far as sound is concerned.

In jazz fake books, they don't even bother notating the shuffle - they just show everything as straight, even eighth notes. It is assumed that you'll add the shuffle in when you play it. The only time they show 1/8th triplets is when there are actually 3 notes to play in the space of one quarter. So (on paper) it looks like the music is switching from straight eighths into triples and out again, but it's not.
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