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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: Jamstix & REAPER Reply with quote

Please use this thread to post solutions or work-arounds for any problems you may have encountered using Jamstix in REAPER.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's some stuff in the "general" board that maybe should be moved here.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've set Reaper to use ASIO4ALL driver, and that cut the latency down tremendously, but i'm still having a problem when I play the track back. When I record, I'm jamming with jamstix and everything sounds fine, my timing is going right along with the beat. But when I play the track back, my playing is all offbeat. WHy is that? Do I need to change a setting on jamstix when i play it back? I dont know whats happening.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a manual jam, is the normal way of working with Jamstix to click in (or record midi with a controller) the basic drum part, and then use the arranger to program in the intros, drops, and fills? So the basic structure comes from the midi track, and then you give the brain some creative hints?

I am trying to figure out the balance between control and virtual creativity. Or do you use the rthym tab to control the basic rhythm, and then choose the other things?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing I've used so far was FreeJam. I set it to jam with audio, hit record, and play. Then when I'm done, I play back the track, open the jamstix screen and mess around with the sliders to see what i can come up with. Thats about the extent of my know-how with Jamstix. I have LOTS to learn.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stringer wrote:
With a manual jam, is the normal way of working with Jamstix to click in (or record midi with a controller) the basic drum part, and then use the arranger to program in the intros, drops, and fills? So the basic structure comes from the midi track, and then you give the brain some creative hints?

I am trying to figure out the balance between control and virtual creativity. Or do you use the rthym tab to control the basic rhythm, and then choose the other things?

John


I use Jamstix almost entirely in Manual Jam mode.

I use the built in patterns to get the basic structure of the song.
If I might need to modify one of the inbuilt patterns to suit and then save it as a custom one.
I then usually set the control sliders pretty low so Jamstix doesn't do anything too crazy as my music is mostly straight ahead rock/pop stuff.
I also set the fill slider to 0 so i an control the fills.

Next I will draw velocity and powerplay automation envelopes to vary these parameters throughout the song.

I then play the song through a few times and make adjustments to patterns, fills, automation envelopes etc as required.
I may add other automation for percussion or to mute drums etc at this stage.

Once it is basically how I want it I will lock all the bars in the arranger and then any bars I'm not happy with I'll unlock and add accents or cymbals in certain spots or change the patterns etc. until I am happy with it all and lock the bars as I go.

So I still let Jamstix do a lot of creativity... I just decide what I like and don;t like and lock the parts I like

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rich,

Do you create the drum arrangment first, and then record the other tracks? Or do you record some parts with a click or a simple drum groove and then bring in Jamstix?

In FL Studio I usually click in a simple drum pattern, start recording parts, and then I expand and tweak the drum parts as needed. I can do the same in Reaper. I didn't have much time to spend in Jamstix last night, but I started right clicking on measures in the arranger, and it seems to me the choices were "intro" and "fill." I didn't see any way to choose a basic drum measure. Do you do that in the rhythm tab?

I really wish I had more time to fool with this. Work and family keep getting in the way of the music hobby. Ah well, work and family are good too.

Thanks,

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes I'll record the guitar to a click track and then add Jamstix later.
Sometimes I'll record guitar,bass and vocals (or piano and vocals) and then decide to add drums later.

Other times I will put the arrangemetn together in Jamstix before recording anything and then record the guitars etc. whilst playing along to Jamstix.

It works either way. although I think sometimes it sounds better if you record the guitars etc with Jamstix rather than a click as you can get more into the groove.

Yes, if you want to modify the rhythm pattern you do that in the Rhythm tab.

Sometimes I'll save it as a new custom rhythm, but other times if I'm just adding a cybal or snare hit for one bar I'll make the change, get Jamstix to play it with the change, lock the bar and then undo what I did in the rhythm tab and the locked bar will still play the cymbal hit or whatever.

There are many different ways of working with Jamstix and I'm sure other people do it differently. This is the way that just works best for me.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I right click a pattern in the arranger and hit click on the note icon to preview the pattern, I get a Reaper error message that says "List index out of bounds [-1]" The preview works, however, and there don't seem to be any other problems.

I'll post this in the Reaper forum too.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'll check that out. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a harmless bug but there is a work-around. Make sure that the list of fills is populated and that one is selected before you highlight the note icon.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted this question on the reaper site too......fyi

My question is, how can I modify jamstix further, while keeping the pre-recorded drum tracks off to the side?

I have a project that I had already recorded jamstix on. snare on one track, kick on another, etc, etc....

But now, I want to go back and play with the drumming. Maybe a different rhythm here, and different fill there.....

So, I'm trying but i'm running into problems. First off, I was changing the rhythm in jamstix, and hitting play in reaper, only to hear the same rhythm I had before.....then i realized, duh, i'm hearing the jamstix tracks I recorded earlier. Ok, so then I try to mute those drum tracks and hit play again, but now, no drums will play....

and now i'm frustrated...

so again, how can I modify jamstix further, while keeping the pre-recorded drum tracks off to the side?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two ways:

a) Switch JS to 'Manual Jam'. Now you can change fills, change rhythms etc. right in Jamstix

b) Record JS MIDI output in your host (or do a export/import MID file) and edit the MIDI data in your host as needed. When done, set JS to 'Manual Jam' with 'Mute Brain' checked and feed MIDI Data into it for playback.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im having a problem, I want to use the Jamstix demo in reaper but when I go to put the program on a track, it doesnt read on reaper. I downloaded the program and installed it but it wont show up when I click the fx button on the track. There is no jamstix under the VSTi listing. any ideas?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you double-check that the Jamstix demo path is within the VST search path of the REAPER preferences?
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