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thomasross20 · Jamologist Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 119

Hi,

I was just wondering... If an artist/artists decides to sell his songs on a CD on a label or otherwise, and the artist used jamstix for the drums, what rights does this give the jamstix developers? They'd obviously need to be mentioned in the CD slip case, but would they require a share of profits as well?

Just a general pondering! Smile

Ralph [RZ] · Site Admin Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 13332

The Jamstix license states:

"RAYZOON does not reserve any rights to audio material that you produce using the Software."

So, no royalties or any other monies are required.
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Rayzoon Technologies LLC
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Fingers · Jam Meister Joined: 09 Apr 2005 Posts: 83 Location: Spain

paspallum · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: WHY??

GUYs
I'm a HUGE Jamstix fan.....

But why would ralph (or JAMSTIX) want a credit on an album?
Why would you give a credit to jamstix without being paid or 'endorsed' to give such a credit.
Look over the credits and notes on the covers of your favoutite albums.

Do they credit Ludwig drums? Pearl? Yamaha?
Look on albums by:
Elvis
The Clash
Tom Petty
Metallica
Miles Davis
Etc...

Do they mention that they used..Martin Guitars? Fender amps? Pro-tools? Cubase? Etc etc etc... (Ok 'ocassionally'... someone, usually th edrummer will have an endorsement deal where they HAVE to give a credit as part of the contract... but these guys have been given free drumkits... multiple free drumkits!)

I actually think the boys at Jamstix would be more 'proud' if you (lied) and said you used a real drummer... and the record sold big and no-one knew the drummer was a bit of software...
See thats what they've tried (and succeded) to make... a piece of software that passes for a human!

Then later when you've sold 10 million albums...and you're being interviewd by a prestigious recording magazine... at your descretion... you can choose to say you used jamstix... and everyone will say..woow! no way? and Ralph will get the kudos he deserves and a big way!

Paspallum

russellkeys · Jam Meister Joined: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 65

"But why would ralph (or JAMSTIX) want a credit on an album?
Why would you give a credit to jamstix without being paid or 'endorsed' to give such a credit.
Look over the credits and notes on the covers of your favoutite albums"

You are right. A person does not have to or normally may not do this, but considering how everyone who has listened to Jamstyx so far in my studio cannot tell the difference between it and a real drummer, (sorry to all studio drummers do not mean to put you out of work, you still have your place and use in studios) and I was able to buy Jamstyx and all of its add on packs for less money than it would cost me or my clients to pay a session drummer to come in and record one song, and now that this is mentioned I am considering putting this on albums where my clients do not mind to support Jamstyx and help the sells for a product that is saving me and my clients a tremendous amount of money and time. There is nothing else on the market that in my opinion will do what Jamstyx does as well as it does for even ten times the selling price of Jamstyx. And Martin guitars, peavey speakers, etc. although excellent products have improved the sound of my projects but have never saved me or my clients any money or time.

May God Bless Your Day,
Russell

paspallum · Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: I know what you are saying

Russellkeys....
Yep
I know what you are saying.

I think Jamstix is an 'industry standard' in the making.

People rave about Fender Guitars, Marshal amps, Neve consoles, Focusrite preamps, Pro-tools, Giga-samplers, vintage Roland drum machines, Moog syths, Ibanez pedals, Neumman mics, Waves plugins...

I think we may well be using a classic piece of rock'n'roll recording equipment right now....JAMSTIX!!

(and as GOOD as it is...something tells me by V.2 it's gonna get even better!)

I still won't be listing ANY of the gear I use on my future album cover.

But good on you if you want to do that!

Paspallum

RichLum · Jamologist Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Sydney

I guess there are 2 ways to look at it...

1. Jamstix is a tool just like a pearl drum kit, marshall amp etc. that you purchase and then the fact that you've used a particular tool to produce a song/album is of no consequence to the public (unless you are being paid to endorse said tool).

2. Jamstix is more than just a tool as it has contributed to some of the creative element of the song. Whilst a pearl drum kit won't actually contribute the the creative element of the song, the drummer playing the kit does and will usually be listed on the credits.
So if you view Jamstix as a "player" and contributing to the creative elements of the song maybe it should be credited... if it were a legal entity it would certainly have some claim to a cut of the royalties Laughing

Rich

dinoman · Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:59 am Post subject:

Interesting debate! Confused

Ultimately, the question was, would royalties be required? And the answer was "no".

Geoff

paspallum · Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: Bands in the sixties

Interestingly..
A lot of artists in the 60's did not get paid there royalties due to corrupt management... the management would pay for accomodation, food, alcohol, drugs... and the bands thought they were kings! But the 'lions share' of the 'makings' were going into the managements swiss bank account!!

And many early blues musicians (1940's..1960's)..while they got payed for their gigs... got badly ripped off by the recording companies...especially when the artists became fasionable in the 60's... their records sold... but they saw little or no royalties.

Paspallum