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SteveJ_01
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 Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:39 am Post subject: Would like a non-silent ending |
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Hi,
I've set a 4-bar ending part with the intention of getting some very simple playing from JS over the final four bars (as a guitar picks a simple pattern) and then concluding at the end of bar 4.
What I actually get is a kick/cymbal hit on the first beat of the first bar and then just silence.
I don't see any 'Last Bar Only' setting for endings as for Intros.
So, why is my Ending reduced to a single hit, and how can I change that?
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Azimuth
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| It depends upon what you want. You could use a 1 bar Drum Solo song part, add a Cymbal Fill to the entire bar etc. You don't have to use an "Ending" song part, or "Intro" part either. |
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SteveJ_01
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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So I take this (from the 4.2.0 manual) as the current situation and critical point to understand:
"Current purpose is to provide end-crash for preceding fill. Future versions will add actual specific end-play behavior."
Can't activate 'end-play behavior' that doesn't (yet) exist! |
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SteveJ_01
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
So taking a cue from your suggestion -
How can I put a Drum Solo part into my Song before the ending without destroying the settings of the Song (lengths, fill checkboxes, etc.)?
Working thru the Your Song Structure box and then Recomposing resets everything. |
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TheSystem
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:48 pm Post subject: try this |
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| SteveJ_01 wrote: | Hi,
So taking a cue from your suggestion -
How can I put a Drum Solo part into my Song before the ending without destroying the settings of the Song (lengths, fill checkboxes, etc.)?
Working thru the Your Song Structure box and then Recomposing resets everything. |
If you have done Song>Global Action>Lock All Parts, there should be no recomposing.
You can right click the part just before the Ending and then you should see:
New Part at the top and under there are several options.
You could also copy and paste an existing part. Then you can unlock the Part or Individual measures within that part and tweak. Or double it click it and set the length and other options for your song end.
HTH
Brian |
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SteveJ_01
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Brian. That was very helpful!
I am led to a few more questions -
At the top of the New Part menu there are choices to 'Create New Part After This Part' and 'Create New Part Before This Part'. This lets me choose either position, but either case the new part is always of type "Manual". I so far see no way to then change the manual part into any other kind (verse, chorus, etc.).
Is it possible to change a manual part into any other kind?
Also, what does "manual part" actually mean? I don't see that described in the User Manual anywhere.
The other choices in the New Part menu do create parts of the various types, but without a position choice, IOW always *after* the current part.
Am I seeing this correctly? (or missing something) It just seems slightly weird to me that we'd be given a position choice for creation of manual parts but not others.
In the end, Ctrl-Shift Dragging a new part of any kind to reorder as desired it after creating it is straightforward enough. Thank goodness for pop-up help in the message bar!! |
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SteveJ_01
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Also, after some of the experimenting above, my Ending no longer merely strikes a cymbal on 1 and then goes silent. It now has alot of fill activity near the end of the bar. I did nothing knowingly to cause this, other than deleting the prior Ending part and creating a new one.
So, two questions about this -
1. How can I turn off the entire fill section of an Ending (or any part) if I don't want to hear it? (without destroying it)
2. Is this text from the manual now obsolete: "Current purpose is to provide end-crash for preceding fill. Future versions will add actual specific end-play behavior." ? |
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Azimuth
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Hi Steve,
| Quote: | | At the top of the New Part menu there are choices to 'Create New Part After This Part' and 'Create New Part Before This Part'. This lets me choose either position, but either case the new part is always of type "Manual". I so far see no way to then change the manual part into any other kind (verse, chorus, etc.). |
A manual song part is just that, a generic part intended for hand editing. In the New Part menu, every individual existing JS part type is listed there. Choose from that list instead. The new part will be created after the part you selected so select the song part you want the new part created AFTER. If you create it in the wrong spot don't worry, just ctrl+shift+drag it to the location in the Song List where you want it located as you noted.
| Quote: | | 1. How can I turn off the entire fill section of an Ending (or any part) if I don't want to hear it? (without destroying it) |
I'm not quite sure what you "don't want to destroy". For the Bar where you want to DELETE all of the Fill hits go to the Fill window and click the Clear button located below the Timeline and Song Part list. The Clear button affects ONLY the window you are presently in so the Groove and Accent composition will be unaffected by doing this. This is also true for the Groove and Accent windows.
| Quote: | | 2. Is this text from the manual now obsolete: "Current purpose is to provide end-crash for preceding fill. Future versions will add actual specific end-play behavior." ? |
This is the world of Jamstix, so who knows!  Seriously, you will find after spending time here that good things "USUALLY" come to those who wait.
Hope this helps. |
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SteveJ_01
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your comments a_zimiuth!
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I'm not quite sure what you "don't want to destroy". |
A better way to ask that question I think would be - "Can the entire fill section be muted/unmuted?"
Muting of course simply means not to sound it until/unless it is unmuted, and that's what I meant by not "destroying" it.
Same could be asked of individual hits also I suppose. Can they be muted/unmuted?
The question arises out of working with DAWs, where both individual notes and/or entire parts/tracks can be muted/unmuted non-destructively. |
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Azimuth
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Just wanted to be clear as to what you meant, yes, it can be done.
1) In the Fill window, Bar Dropdown>Quick Save Slot #%X.
2) Then use the Clear Button to clear the fill Bar Editor.
3) You will now hear the bar minus the fill.
Then when/if you want the fill back,
1) Bar Dropdown>Quick Load Slot #%X.
The bar will be back to it's initial state. You can save up to 5 different fills to audition with this procedure.
Individual hits cannot be muted, but you could cut and then paste a hit back to achieve that result. |
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SteveJ_01
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Got it, thank you very much!
I note for reference that the Quick Slots do not save/reload with a Song, so make sure any fill information you want to keep is in the actual Bar(s) before you save the Song. |
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Azimuth
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I note for reference that the Quick Slots do not save/reload with a Song, so make sure any fill information you want to keep is in the actual Bar(s) before you save the Song. |
You could also "Quick Load" all of the slots you want to save and then use Bar dropdown menu>Save Fill. |
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SteveJ_01
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| a_zimuth wrote: |
You could also "Quick Load" all of the slots you want to save and then use Bar dropdown menu>Save Fill. |
Thank you for your further suggestion!
In trying to test this out:
1. After filling the 5 Quick Slots and (and then doing Save Fill) I wasn't able to find a way to clear the 5 Quick Slots in order to create a "blank canvas" to test and confirm the reloading of those slots (by Load Fill). Is there a way to clear the slots? If not, I suggest a Clear Quick Slots operation be added.
2. Trying instead to clear the Quick Slots one-by-one by loading them with fills which had been cleared of all hits, I find that a Quick Slot that is in the [Filled] state will still be in the [Filled] state even after loading it with a blank (no hits) fill grid. Unless I am misunderstanding something here, I would suggest that a Quick Slot revert from the [Filled] state to the [empty] state under such circumstances.
3. When I go to another bar (which has empty Quick Slots) and do a Load Fill of the file saved in #1 above, the Quick Slots are not filled.
In summary, my interpretation of the prior post was that Quick Slots were saved along with the singular fill info (from the grid) itself by a Save Fill operation, and thus became available for subsequent reloading via Load Fill. However, this does not appear to be the case.
If I have misinterpreted, or perhaps need to redo my test to correct user error, please advise. Thanks! |
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Azimuth
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Hi Steve,
The Quick Save & Load slots are only for the current bar you are editing. However if you save the fills using the procedure I pointed out you can then use the Load Fill function to use those fills in any bar. Make sure you click the Rescan Folder button when loading fills, because the folder doesn't reflect new additions a lot of times when its window is first opened.
If you save a new fill into a previously filled Quick Slot, it will overwrite the existing fill in that slot. So you can save as many different fills as you want with unique names. |
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SteveJ_01
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| a_zimuth wrote: |
The Quick Save & Load slots are only for the current bar you are editing. However if you save the fills using the procedure I pointed out you can then use the Load Fill function to use those fills in any bar. |
Hi,
I apologize, for my final clarity, please let me pose my question in a different form.
Does the Save Fill operation (which writes a file) save the current state of the Quick Slots in that file, or does it not? |
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