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[HotDogWater]

I'm trying to create a custom MIDI kit mapping to send MIDI out to a Korg Kronos. There aren't appropriate samples available in each Kronos kit for all of the various articulations available in Jamstix. For example, there is no sound for a available for a rimshot, or hi-hat closed 50% in the target kit. So I set these notes to:

--

However, according to my DAW MIDI monitor, Jamstix still hits these articulations, and sends a C-2 (minus 2) note on event. And that does actually correspond to a sample on the Kronos that is very out of place in the context of a rimshot, half open hat, etc. Is there a way to get rid of these articulations in a custom midi kit so that Jamstix 4 doesn't try to use them at all? E.g. like if you take an entire drum kit piece away, Jamstix won't try to play it. Except I do need the kit piece and a couple of the articulations.

I'm on version 4.1.0 64 bit.

Thanks!

(As an aside does anyone happen to have Jamstix Kronos mappings already made that they're willing to share? )

[Azimuth]

Hi HDW,
How are you assigning -- to a kit piece? When I try to do this in the Kit Editor,(JS4) it immediately reverts back to the originally assigned note. It would probably be a better idea to assign the unneeded sample to an unassigned note in the Kronos midi mapping. I don't have, nor have I ever used a Kronos, so if I'm off base here disregard.

[HotDogWater]

Hey a_zimuth, thanks for the quick reply and help.

Yes, I'm using the kit editor. Basically starting with a new empty kit, adding pieces as MIDI Output Only, then assigning the samples by choosing an articulation, opening the assign window in JS, and pressing a note on the Kronos keyboard to MIDI learn it.

I did try assigning to an empty sample as well. I think it was maybe G10 that had no assigned sample in the Kronos kit. The problem with that is that the drummer still tries to play that articulation at times, and you end up with silence there. I guess that might be OK sometimes but if the brain is riding on a half open hat, for example, it leaves a silence where a critical groove element should be.

I guess the other workaround might be to just assign the same sample to different articulations. For example assigning the exact same note/sample to snare offset as I do for snare center, or just use the same open hat sample for 50%, 75% etc.

Was just hoping there would be a way to remove these articulations. When you take a kit piece away, JS does a nice job of figuring out how to fulfill its style/drummer plan without it.

I will double check later today but I'm pretty sure on my end, selecting -- did not reset it to the default note out assignment, but caused it to always send a C-2. Not sure why the difference in behavior there...

[jas_lan]

Try removing the sample for the specific articulation that you want removed. That should prevent the brain from using that articulation altogether.
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[Azimuth]

Well well well..... I just went back and double checked on my end and found that the "reverting back" to the original note is an old issue on my Surface Pro that I had forgotten about. I have to click and hold for a few seconds before the mouse click is accepted in some menus in JS4. So you are correct, setting a kit piece to "--" sets it to midi note# 0.

[HotDogWater]

Hi jas_lan

I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean remove the sample from the articulation in the JS kit? There is no sample assigned because I'm adding the kit pieces one by one to an empty kit as "MIDI Output Only".

[Azimuth]

Hi HDW,

I think your idea of assigning the articulation to a similar articulation would be the best solution. There's no way to eliminate a particular articulation during composition in most cases.

[jas_lan]

I am not able to check it now but...
It seems if, for example, in the kit, if I select the snare, and in the articulation drop-down, for “rimshot”, I select “none” or no sample assigned, then the brain would not use rimshots in what it generates. The brain only uses what kit pieces or articulations are available. Wouldn’t this apply to other pieces as well?
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[HotDogWater]

That is how I thought it would work too, and it seems like I recall it working that way at one point or another in the history of Jamstix, but it doesn't seem to now. The brain seems to continue to use that articulation even with no sample or MIDI note assigned. Bug, maybe?

[jas_lan]

Perhaps a bug or I may just be confused. I will try to test it out tonight if I get time. There’s a good chance Ralph will see this thread soon also...
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[HotDogWater]

I had also thought about trying in JS3 to see if it behaves differently (more like I expected it to). I think the last time I created a mapping was in that version (could have been JS2 though).

At any rate, thank you both for the help and thoughts here.

[Ralph [RZ]]

Clicking 'Remove Kit Piece' on the articulation should keep JS4 from sending anything for it on the MIDI output and cause the brain to re-route to secondary kit pieces (i.e. snare hit instead of rim shot).
I will check this out and get back to you if I see a bug or need more info.

Thanks!
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[HotDogWater]

Bingo, that worked!

I think this is maybe what jas_lan was trying to tell me earlier but I wasn't making the connection that you had to actually open up the sample menu.

Thanks again for the great support!

[Azimuth]

I stand corrected. You learn something new every day!

[HotDogWater]

Oh yeah, definitely. I've been learning jamstix for, I guess according to my join date, about 12 years now, and I'm still always pleasantly surprised to learn something new about it each time I use it.

A little more background about what I'm up to here. The Kronos has a lot of interesting drum kits in it, as well as a lot of drum patterns you can play them with. Once you've gotten used to using jamstix though, anything that is based on static repeating patterns is a little lackluster. I mean - the patterns are good, they are like 4 or 8 bar loops, very quick to set up, and inspiring enough to get a song started. But then once you actually want get serious about making a song... I want to inject jamstix into the workflow.

I can't really find any rhyme or reason to how Korg arranged the samples in these drumkits. They don't seem to follow a general MIDI mapping or anything else that I can find. I guess they are arranged to the Korg standard... so I'm having to hand map them.

https://www.korg.com/download/global/kronos2/KRONOS_VNL_EFGSJ3.pdf

So this brings me to another question. If I wanted to take one of these stock Kronos patterns, or even create one of my own in the Kronos sequencer and import it into jamstix, how would this work in this case? I know how to get a 1 or 2 bar MIDI file out of the Kronos and get it onto the PC. I'm looking at pg 49 of the current jamstix manual about the groove importer and there is a dropdown for the mapping. I'm guessing whatever I export from the Kronos won't work right with any of the choices there. Is there a way I can take this custom drum kit that I'm building and make it into a custom mapping for the groove importer? Does that even make sense?