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DJ_Bach · Jammer Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 35

Yo Ralph,

Man the Jamstix 1.32, Drumpak 1, and Drumatic 3 make a sweet combination! The demo showed the promise, and the full software delivered the goods.

One question. I love what I'm hearing. Would like to know if they were some way to lock down to audio (within the audio software) exactly what I'm hearing Jamstix generate. The benefits are obvious: lightening up the CPU load, flexibility to mix and match different rhythm sets, export audio for mixdown in Cubase, etc. I know there's been some discussion of this topic on the board, but never a definitive answer. I was wondering if you have a solution to this problem.

Thanks.............

darcyb62 · Jamologist Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 188

You should be able to render the track in your Host.

In Tracktion I just select the track and press the render track button. It adds a track and I mute the track with Jamstix on it.

Works pretty select.

If your host has a bounce function it should function pretty much the same.
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DJ_Bach · Jammer Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 35

Hello Darcyb62

Thanks for your response. I'm using Cubase LE with a Presonus Firepod. I don't think there is a 'render' function in Cubase.
There is a bounce function but it refers only to audio events. I guess what I'm trying to do is take what is essentially midi events (Jamstix) and convert them to an audio clip. I've checked all the midi topics in my Cubase manual. There doesn't seem to be a midi to audio function. Plus I'm not sure all the midi events created by Jamsitx can be converted into a 'clone' audio event if you know what I mean.

Perhaps someone else in this forum will have a perspective.

Jason · Jam Meister Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 87

hey Bach.

i'm using Cubase SX1 and when i create an audio track it records jamstix as audio. i can time-stretch it, etc, so it's definately audio and not midi.

is that all you're talking about?

Jason

DJ_Bach · Jammer Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 35

Jason

Sounds promising. How do you get the Jamstix output to feed into the inputs of an audio track? I presently have a Jamstix midi track creating the drum sounds. Are you suggesting I add a new audio track that will be fed somehow by the output from Jamstix midi? I'm not exactly sure if I can do this on my Cubase LE. Perhaps. Any additional suggestions from you would be much appreciated!

Thanks.......

AlanB · Jamologist Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 134

In your soundcard mixer, do you get the option to record "What U Hear" rather than Wave/mp3? If you have that option you could mute all the tracks except the one that Jamstix is on, and set another track to record audio.

This is a similar approach to when I used to record the sounds on my soundcard's built-in synth, before discovering the wonderful world of VSTs.

I agree with darcy, it's very easy in Tracktion. Might be worth giving the demo a go.

Hope this helps.

Alan

JohnR · Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:46 am Post subject:

I'm doing this from memory, since I haven't used Cubase for a while, but...

...you need to "Export Audio" (or something like that) from the File menu. You don't need to do anything with your soundcard because Cubase will generate the sound and route it straight to an audio file. You can then import this audio file and use it.

As well as a MIDI track you will have Jamstix VSTi tracks that are created when you select Jamstix as a VSTi. Solo both the MIDI track and Jamstix VSTi outputs so that only those tracks are rendered.

SX2 and later have a button you can press called "Freeze" which automatically bounces to audio and locks the MIDI track.

Have a look at this topic in the Cubase forums for full details "This is how to record MIDI to Audio".

John

Jason · Jam Meister Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 87

Bach, i am a Cubase newbie and don't know routing very well. i'm at work so i can't confirm until tonight (if you don't have an answer by then) but i do know i stumbled across how to do it just by creating a new audio track and simply recording with that track.

the track recorded both Jamstix and the guitar i had on another audio track, i'm pretty sure, until i muted the outpout with that M8 (or whatever it's called) plugin that reads the velocity of your input so Jamstix can jam with you.

i'm certain i did not freeze or Export to Mixdown or any of that jazz to convert Midi to audio; it simply recorded on the audio track.

i've got Cubase 1 with a small external mixer. i can check my inputs and outputs tonight...

sorry i don't know enough to tell you offhand what i did. but it was darn simple. (i was just beginning to learn Cubase basics until i decided to try Jamstix so now my tiny base of Cubase knowledge has been suspended for a while; a new baby and uber-fatigue leave me little time and energy to figure out software Wink

).

good luck and ciao for now.

Jason

darcyb62 · Jamologist Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 188

mars · Jammer Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 39

there seems to be some confusion here about midi and audio. Jamstix, (though it does produce midi as a side benefit in order to trigger other VSTIs), is actually something that produces audio from a midi signal. this is what VST instruments do -- they produce audio internally. so yes, any host can render or mixdown jamstix down to an audio track, particularly cubase (most versions of cubase also have an option to "freeze" a VSTI track, which basically means that it renders it to a track, though in this case you don't have to manually create another track, it just "freezes" it automatically freeing up your CPU).
hope this helps.

darcyb62 · Jamologist Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 188

DJ_Bach · Jammer Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 35

All this discussion is great!

I believe several solutions have been suggested that probably work for each individual case. However, Cubase LE, a great starting program that came bundled with my Firepod, does not offer this functionality of converting midi tracks to audio tracks.

No render, no midi freeze, nor the ability to assign bus 1 as an audio input. If I export to audio, tracks must be audio to work. Midi tracks are not exported to an audio mixdown.

I've come up with two 'out of the box' solutions for my problem. I' m going to explore these to see if they're workable. I'll post later if something clicks.

Thanks for all the response.........Bach

darcyb62 · Jamologist Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 188

DJ_Bach · Jammer Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 35

Hey Darcy

It worked!!! I'm sort of blown away. A previous post in this thread directed me to the same link. But it said I needed Cubase SX or higher to make it work. Plus, my manual says this cannot be done. I decided to give it one last shot. The newly created audio file imported back into my software to the right spot: locked to the track. This is a good day!

Thanks to everyone!

Bach..........