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[The_B]

Hi Folks,

just bought Jamstix 3 as well as Superior Drummer 2.0 and a couple of EZX.
Great stuff, lot's of fun, wonderful workflow, excellent results.
I searched the forum for mappings, found a few hints, but nothing real, just some Reaper files.

As far as I figured that out by now, a basic mapping is quite simple, but if you want to map i.e. all HH and snare variations right, you can spend some hours...

Are there any official mappings (as announced for Jamstix 2.?) or a user made collection? It makes no sense not to recycle that.

If nothing exists, I will spend that day and post the outcome here if no one convince me that it's a bad idea. But I hope there is something out there that I missed ;-)

Peace,
B.

[Ralph [RZ]]

There is a SD2 mapping in the 'DFHS' folder that comes with JS3. Creating a map from scratch should not take longer than 20 min. and any subsequent mappings for the same module should be much quicker.
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Ralph Zeuner
Rayzoon Technologies LLC
http://www.rayzoon.com

[The_B]

Perhaps I am a bit slow or too much of a perfectionist, but I spend significantly more time than 20 min. for the first kits. Ok, you get quicker results after a while, since HH and snare mappings stay quite the same, but each kit has a new challenge (if you want to max things out).
For quick & dirty, you are absolutely right, i.e. a Battery 3 Kit takes max. 2 minutes but there you don't have to think about details...

Since the forum does not allow attachments and no one seems to be interested...
Perhaps it's better that way, since there is no "right way" for the mapping and several other settings.

From my perspective the default mapping for SD2 is a bit funny, since not all articulations of the HH are mapped, even the EZDrummer mapping has more HH articulations.
Perhaps doing it yourself is the best way to get a feel for the kits ;-)

Peace,
B.

[The_B]

I am not only slow, but also a bit dumb.

I have EZDrummer and Superior Drummer and did the mapping with EZDrummer.
Not a good idea, Superior makes your life easier since you can not only hear each articulation, it shows you the key as well.
I did that with the EZX-Keys.pdf. Takes a bit longer to search and translate...

Peace,
B.

[The_B]

I searched the forum again, found nothing.

After editing the Superior 2 mapping I get:

The sound Cymbal Choke has no assigned MIDI key.

Found at least a section in the manual about that. Ok, jamstix3.ini
Hmm, empty file. That means no CC4 for the HH, right?

You really learn a lot doing your own mappings...

Just a hint: It is nice that you get warnings before saving a kit.
But you don't check the routing, so I get warnings when I use the same key in the subhost context and internally.

Peace,
B.

[The_B]

Ok, I am to stupid for this program, I give up.

Tried to copy the example section from the manual (Acrobat Reader 6.0/PC) and get only garbage when pasting. Same with Preview on Mac.

This is one too much, bye bye...

[walsingham]

I second the "superior 2 mappings sound funny "for lack of better words - the hi hats never seem to translate - when i got superior 2 , i redid a lot of the older jamstix projects mapped to SD2 and it was beyond frustrating - none of the drum tracks translated well and i stopped halfway through.
I tried to figure out the mapping - but besides Ralph trying there really isnt too much good will here when it comes to sharing user created maps( i have even offered to pay )
l'll still always support jamstix even if i dont use it as much if only for the fact that Ralph has been so good about pricing and support.
It would be really appreciated if you could post your JS2 to SD2 kits !

[Ralph [RZ]]

We're looking at improving the choke editing.

The_B: could you send me the SD2 kit you have so far? I'll see about fixing it up. Also, what HH articulations did you find missing in the SD2 map?
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Ralph Zeuner
Rayzoon Technologies LLC
http://www.rayzoon.com

[The_B]

[quote="walsingham"]It would be [b]really[/b] appreciated if you could post your JS2 to SD2 kits !

[i] :D [/i][/quote]

As I wrote, I am willing to share that stuff, but this forum supports no attachments and I don't have a website I could host that stuff.

But I will send my results to the admin here, we'll see what happens.

Peace,
B.

[The_B]

Hi Ralph,

will send you a mail.

Peace,
B.

[The_B]

Just in case someone stumbles upon this thread in search for EZX mappings:

I mailed my mappings to Ralph and they are in the jamstix302_RC6 update.
You will find mappings for all EZX and the NY kits (for EZDrummer and Superior 2.0) in the Toontrack folder.

You might have to look at your jamstix3.ini for ClosedHatSet and CymbalChoke settings.

If you want to adapt the mappings to your needs the also included .xls file will make your life easier ;-)

Thank you Ralph!!!

Peace,
B.

[Paul_M]

Hi, I know this is an old thread, but I just purchased Jamstix3 XL and was looking in the Toontrack folder for the Latin Percussion Kit but can't seem to find it. I searched through the forums and found an old post that mentions its existence: "Jamstix 1.8 will come with mappings for EZDrummer Core, Vintage Rock and DFH. Furthermore, a cool mapping for the EZX Latin Percussion is also included. " Question: where can I find this kit?

Thanks,
Paul

[The_B]

Hi Paul,

I guess this is historically, there maybe was a mapping back in version 1.8...
I don't know, since I started with version 3.

For version 3 I did all the Toontrack mappings and since I have don't have the Jamcussion expansion and a mapping from percussion to drums is not a mapping that can suite all/most situations, I did not make one...

So if I think, mapping the Kick and Snare to different articulations of the Cajon is cool, you could think that is just mad. And depending on the song you work on, you would be very right with that ;-)

I guess the easiest and best way to do percussion with Jamstix is to get the Jamcussion pack, since you get 3 percussionists and an extra module for just that. And I further guess, that the samples contained in there are at least equal in quality than the mentioned Toontrack EZX.

If you really need some extra sounds from the Toontrack EZX the easiest way would be to generate the MIDI data from Jamstix and feed that directly to Easydrummer with the EZX loaded, doing the mapping by moving the notes (if necessary).

Since we just got another free update from Rayzoon and I think that is a great service, I guess I will get the Jamcussion Expansion just to have a look at it. If a mapping make sense there, I'll do it...

[The_B]

Ok, got Jamcussion. One mapping for the Toontrack Latin Percussion EZX is in the delivered presets.

There are quite some possibilities to map things there...
Since the mapping depends heavily on the song and what fits in there, presets would not make sense and would not save any time.

If you look for fast preset style percussion use the Toontrack MIDI.
If you want to use the full potential of Jamstix, learn how to map, it is not that complicated after the first hurdles. The manual is a bit brief about that, but contains all important info.

A few pointers how to map things easily:

- You have got a pdf from Toontrack with all note/sound relations. Look for folder EZX_Percussion and EZX-Keys.pdf

- If you own Superior Drummer, you can load the kit there and if you rightclick one drum, you get the note for any articulation in the bottom right corner. That note is what Jamstix needs to know in order to trigger the sound you want.

- Creating a excel sheet helps a lot. Do a search for ToontrackMappings.xls in your Jamstix folder to see how I did that.

If there is a need for a step by step workflow with pictures, I can do that.

Peace, B.

[Paul_M]

Hi The_B,

Thank you for your replies. Before posting my initial question I did find the pdf files for the EZX Latin Percussion mappings and also your xls file.

I know that since I'm just beginning with Jamstix that I'll have a lot more questions. I really appreciate your tips and offer of assistance

I'm using Jamstix with Cantabile Solo. I haven't gotten into doing a lot of recording yet, mostly just playing for personal enjoyment. I've been looking for a drummer VSTi that I could learn easily and use with a minimum of actual programming (I'm an old-timer who has been using drum machines since they first came on the scene - I'm talking mid 1960's) and have been pretty much frustrated with the likes of EZDrummer and Session Drummer for live playing as they seem to be better suited for use with DAWs. With Jamstix, I think I've finally found it !!

Thanks again,
Paul