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TheSystem
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 Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:25 pm Post subject: another 'how can i make this beat?' request |
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Hi folks
I am working on a new tune. I want to do a drum track similar to this tune:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYGwxf1gCC4
Any suggestions on Drummer/Style and setting suggestions would be much appreciated.
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hotmitts_1
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I was trying to make a simple beat, and people here on the forum recommended me to use a Country or Rock style to start with, using 'Charlie' the rock drummer ,one of the less technical, more straightforward ones.
Sounds like you might be headed for something similar ? |
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TheSystem
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| Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:59 pm Post subject: thanks |
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| hotmitts_1 wrote: | I was trying to make a simple beat, and people here on the forum recommended me to use a Country or Rock style to start with, using 'Charlie' the rock drummer ,one of the less technical, more straightforward ones.
Sounds like you might be headed for something similar ? |
that is where i started. i cannot seem to get it with the country styles so i moved on to Basic Rock. i am still not there.
thanks for the tips
brian
ps. i am going to try Phil next. i have had luck with him for simpler beats. phil if you are reading this, no offence (spelled with a 'c' even mate).  |
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Ralph [RZ]
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I'd use a slow 4/4, around 70BPM or so. I'd try the 'Basic 4' presets from 'Standard Rock' in the 'Toolbox' folder as is for the chorus.
For the verse, I'd simplify it by un-checking all cells under 'Kick' except the first one.
For the snare ghosting, I'd experiment with the standard 'Snare Ghosts' accent control. You may want to bias it forward during the verse.
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TheSystem
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| Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:11 pm Post subject: thanks ralph |
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i'm on it.
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TheSystem
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| Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:39 pm Post subject: not quite there |
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ralph
i tried the suggestions. the feel is not what i am after.
this video might make it easier to hear what is going on. i think what this guy is doing will work for my song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9iVYm2yhyo
he starts around 1:08s. he is doing what sounds like some triplets here and there on the HHs. and of course some ghosting as you noted.
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Ralph [RZ]
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Looks like you need to set the hihat to 'Gallop' to get the pattern you want.
If you want to have the galloping limited, use 'Extract From Other Style' to get another hihat from the 'Standard Rock' style. Now set the first one to '8th', the second to 'Gallop', right-click the header on the second one and check 'BIAS'. Now you can use the BIAS knob to have the galloping constant (0%) or move it forward or backward within the bar.
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Knopf_
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| Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Ralph [RZ] wrote: | Looks like you need to set the hihat to 'Gallop' to get the pattern you want.
If you want to have the galloping limited, use 'Extract From Other Style' to get another hihat from the 'Standard Rock' style. Now set the first one to '8th', the second to 'Gallop', right-click the header on the second one and check 'BIAS'. Now you can use the BIAS knob to have the galloping constant (0%) or move it forward or backward within the bar. |
Exactly, I don’t hear triplets, but 8ths and some gallops. I must confess I didn’t know how to balance the amount of both like you explain here, Ralph. Another reason to read always each thread that is created. |
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TheSystem
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:22 pm Post subject: thanks ralph |
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| Ralph [RZ] wrote: | Looks like you need to set the hihat to 'Gallop' to get the pattern you want.
If you want to have the galloping limited, use 'Extract From Other Style' to get another hihat from the 'Standard Rock' style. Now set the first one to '8th', the second to 'Gallop', right-click the header on the second one and check 'BIAS'. Now you can use the BIAS knob to have the galloping constant (0%) or move it forward or backward within the bar. |
i am in the ballpark now. i found the SWING and TIME functions were also not set right and messing with the feel i am after.
i plan to work more on it and am confident i can get the feel now.
any suggestions of a great JS kit that would get me to similar tones?
thanks again and happy new year
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When I was creating my Delvon Lamarr organ trio backing tracks applying swing really helped.
The 'Basic 4' presets from 'Standard Rock' in the 'Toolbox' folder worked in that effort also (as recommended by Ralph). |
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TheSystem
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| Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:25 pm Post subject: thanks d |
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| d_steinschneider wrote: | When I was creating my Delvon Lamarr organ trio backing tracks applying swing really helped.
The 'Basic 4' presets from 'Standard Rock' in the 'Toolbox' folder worked in that effort also (as recommended by Ralph). |
it was the swing and timing that i had that was messing me up. i had them set way too high. but once i dialed this in, i was pretty much where i wanted to be after following Ralph's suggestions.
also i am not a drummer so i learned what galloping is. that was new to me. pretty cool to know.
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:10 am Post subject: Re: thanks d |
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| TheSystem wrote: |
also i am not a drummer so i learned what galloping is. that was new to me.
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I don't know if that is actually a common term. I use it because it is descriptive in that it is based on the hoof pattern of a galloping horse, which most people would instantly recognize.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:39 am Post subject: Re: thanks d |
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| Ralph [RZ] wrote: | | TheSystem wrote: |
also i am not a drummer so i learned what galloping is. that was new to me.
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I don't know if that is actually a common term. I use it because it is descriptive in that it is based on the hoof pattern of a galloping horse, which most people would instantly recognize. |
At leats in spanish the name is "galopa". I assume in other languages it is similar.
To TheSystem: actually this is a concept regarding rythmics, not only drumming. Think following:
Imagine four 16ths notes played in a row (I write a = for a 16th note and a | for an 8th note):
= = = = they together use the same amount of time of a 4th note.
Now, tie the two first 16ths:
| = = thas is a gallop (it sound like a galloping horse, like Ralph points out).
Now tie the two last 16ths:
= = | that is an inverted gallop.
Now tie the first three 16ths:
| . = I don't know the english name, but we call it "saltillo" (something like "little jump"). Note that there is a dotted 8th.
Now tie the last three 16ths:
= | . We call that "saltillo inverso", inverted saltillo.
Now tie the two center 16ths:
= | = That is the "síncopa".
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TheSystem
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: thanks d |
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| Knopf_ wrote: | | Ralph [RZ] wrote: | | TheSystem wrote: |
also i am not a drummer so i learned what galloping is. that was new to me.
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I don't know if that is actually a common term. I use it because it is descriptive in that it is based on the hoof pattern of a galloping horse, which most people would instantly recognize. |
At leats in spanish the name is "galopa". I assume in other languages it is similar.
To TheSystem: actually this is a concept regarding rythmics, not only drumming. Think following:
Imagine four 16ths notes played in a row (I write a = for a 16th note and a | for an 8th note):
= = = = they together use the same amount of time of a 4th note.
Now, tie the two first 16ths:
| = = thas is a gallop (it sound like a galloping horse, like Ralph points out).
Now tie the two last 16ths:
= = | that is an inverted gallop.
Now tie the first three 16ths:
| . = I don't know the english name, but we call it "saltillo" (something like "little jump"). Note that there is a dotted 8th.
Now tie the last three 16ths:
= | . We call that "saltillo inverso", inverted saltillo.
Now tie the two center 16ths:
= | = That is the "síncopa".
Regards. |
thanks Knopf
that makes sense to me.
brian
= = | that is an inverted gallop. (a horse in reverse ) |
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