Rayzoon Technologies LLC

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Seemingly simple problem in Jamstix that I cannot figure out. I am using JS as a sound module only, dropping it into an FX Bin (in Sonar 7 PE). I did my guide drum track in EZD by dragging midi patterns to a midi track. I clone the midi track then assign it to output midi to Jamstix.

Normally in other songs that I've done this, the midi notes map directly from EZD to Jamstix..... kick to kick, snare to snare, toms to toms, hats to hats, cymbals to cymbals, everything is great.

But not this time. This time only the kick and snare will play, but no matter what I do I cannot get the hi hat notes to trigger the JS hi hats. For example, the open hat is assigned to C2, the notes on the midi track are C2, but no hi hat plays. If I hit a C2 on the piano, the hi hat sounds and the hi hat indicator lights up. The green light on the JS screen is flashing to show that it's receiving the hi hat notes from Sonar, but the hat won't play any sound. This whole time the kick and snare are playing perfectly, so I know the midi is getting into Jamstix from Sonar. Doesn't matter how many outputs I use, even if I only use one stereo output, the hi hat still wont play, but the other sounds work fine.

What am I missing? This all worked perfectly in my last tune, and I cant think of anything I've done differently.....

[Ralph [RZ]]

Could you send me the Sonar project file?
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Ralph Zeuner
Rayzoon Technologies LLC
http://www.rayzoon.com

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I will see if I can get the proj file out tonight, if I cant figure out the problem tonight after I get home from work.

I did transpose the hat notes after cloning. Jamstix "Kit" screen comes up, right click on the drums and I get the screen for setting channel and midi notes, vol, pan, etc.... In that screen it showed all the hats being on C2 and D2, so that's why I transposed the notes in the midi track clone to C2 and D2. Not sure if this might be something each Jamstix kit changes? Or if all kits have the same note mappings? I did not notice before if those are the JS default note assignments for hi hat?

At first I noticed the cloned notes did not match the assigned note in Jamstix, I thought that was why it would not sound, so I transposed all the hi hat notes in the clone track to C2 and D2, but still no sound from the hats. (Tried C3/D3 and C1/D1 also, just to eliminate the "48 or 64" issue, some manufacturers differ on which note is middle C) But it would appear the problem has to do with the cloning, since transposing is the only thing I changed in the clone track, and the notes that were not transposed (kick, snare) still sound fine in Jamstix after cloning.

I'll spend another hour tonight trying to solve it, and I'll let you know what happens.

Gary

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Well, here's a new twist......

I have determined that the notes I am seeing in my midi track are all being sent out to Jamstix 2 octaves lower than what Sonar PRV says they are.

In PRV, I click on a note that is C3, and in Jamstix the drum sound assigned to C1 plays. All of the notes in my cloned midi track are doing this, showing up in Jamstix 2 octaves lower than what Sonar says they are.

If I play the piano keyboard C3, then I get sound from the C3 drum in Jamstix.

This is why my hi hats are not making sound, there are no drum sounds assigned to the notes that are 2 octaves below the hi hat notes in the midi track. (Interesting that when I booted up tonight and opened my Sonar project, then opened the Jamstix plug, all of the hi hats were set to F#, G#, Bb, and B.......they were not set to C2, D2, etc.) There are no drum sounds assigned to F#0 or F#-1 I believe, and if Sonar says F#2 and Jamstix is getting F#0, that's why that hat sound doesn't play.

But WHY is/are the notes being transposed 2 octaves? As far as I know, I have not done or set anything that would do that. I notice the green "GM" button in Jamstix was turned off. If I turn it on the sounds remap somewhat, but I haven't yet determined exactly how it changes. But I cant see that causing all the midi notes in my Sonar midi track to magically transpose down 2 octaves. I cant find anything in Jamstix that automatically offsets incoming midi notes. I cant find anything in Sonar that automatically offsets outgoing midi notes.

What would offset all of my midi notes by 2 octaves?

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This just in.....

I went to the original EZD midi track, the one that is not cloned, and set it to send notes out to Jamstix instead of EZD.

Same result, when I click a C3 note in PRV, the C1 drum sound in Jamstix plays.

So cloning the midi track is not the cause of the problem.

[Ralph [RZ]]

Aside from the Yamaha/Roland octave naming difference you may have a transpose setting on the MIDI track? Either way, the easy work-around is to use the transpose feature of the MIDI track in Sonar to cancel out the 2 octave difference.
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Ralph Zeuner
Rayzoon Technologies LLC
http://www.rayzoon.com

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Someone on the Cakewalk forum told me there is a Global Option setting in Sonar called "Base Octave."

I changed that to "-2" and suddenly my Sonar midi notes and my Jamstix midi notes match up perfectly!

It's always the simple stuff that slips in under my radar.....