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drjee · Jam Meister Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 83

Hi,

some people claim that the high-end libs like DFHS, BFD and AD etc. deliver a better sound quality than the kits available from Jamstix. I would really like to know if this is true. Maybe some of the owners of these libs could provide some A/B examples of the same performance with the Jamstix Kits and those high-end libs. But please be fair: try to match the sound with Jamstix, make use ambiance control and use the XL content.

I am curious to hear the results

thanks, drjee

idrisguitar · Junior Jammer Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Posts: 15

i have just bought JS2XL and have bfd + bfd JnF

i will certainly be doing this test for my purposes as well as your, i will post up sounds when i have them.

drjee · Jam Meister Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 83

so did you time to make a shoot-out? can you post some examples. would really be interting.

cheers, drjee

monkeymanx · Jam Meister Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 50

Really, with DFHS and BFD it's about having dry samples with all the different mic controls and ambiance and such. When you use those, it is a much larger learning curve since you have to figure out good EQ and Comp settings and such.

I used DFHS for about 2 years. I recently sold it because of my involvement with Rayzoon and being able to sample my Gretsch Renown Maple for the future Metal Pack.

I sampled my kit the same way I record it when I play it live so it is a very high quality sample pack with multiple velocity layers. One things DFHS does have is the mic bleed option which is alright, but over the years I really didn't use it too much, just the overheads and room mics for all the drums to give them that live sound.

This is something I did when I sampled my kit. I made sure each drum got picked up from the overheads, it's close mic, and the room mic.

I also have the XL pack for JS, and think it is great too. Mainly though, I sold off DFHS because know I have samples of my drums which were sampled similer to the way DFHS is, just without alot of the extra things like complete mic bleed(which I never found too usefull).
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labou · Jammer Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 26

Well, I can't wait to hear that Metal Pack... Smile

I guess one other big difference there is in between Jamstix and DFHS or BFD will be the number of sample taken to do the patch, but I believe Jamstix has enough as is, anyway for my needs...
Is there a limit in the number of velocity samples you can use in Jamstix?
What is the average right now?

monkeymanx · Jam Meister Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 50

When I did the samples for the metal pak, I did about 5 per drum/cymbal. You really shouldn't need to much more than that for a decent amount of realism/variety in hits.
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Ralph [RZ] · Site Admin Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 13332

I should add that most sounds have 2 alternate hits so that a five layer sound has actually 15 samples. We've found that alternate hits are more important than increasing velocity layers because drums (especially metal-style) tend to operate on a fairly constant , high-dynamic level and the alternate hits keep things varied and also avoid the machine-gun effect.
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labou · Jammer Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 26

That makes a lot of sense...

drjee · Jam Meister Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 83

so it seems nobody really wants to provide examples...