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gmon72
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 Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:22 am Post subject: arrangement tab ideas |
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I have been using jamstix mainly as a composition tool and not for jamming with MIDI or Audio Input mainly. (More so like slicy/fill-in drummer)
For my uses at least  I think it would be useful to be able to block "sections" in the arrrangement tab for parts of songs like "verse", "chorus" or whatever you like. It would also be cool to have logic for an option that would tame down fills on the first few bars of the section.
I do mainly singer songwriter rock stuff, and a lot of times rhythms just get too funky for the first bar of a section.
Granted sometimes it would be cool. But to have an option to supress it would be great.
Not sure if others use this the way I do, but I would find "sections" and a couple of options awesome. |
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AntonyR
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:12 am Post subject: |
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For myself, blocking sections as Chorus, etc, is not so useful, as I already do this with the Track Markers in Cubase, and would not want to repeat it. If I am working on a chorus I will set the loop markers in Cubase and just let it play that part until I am happy.
However, on the taming down of fills that would be interesting.
Also, another feature I would like to see is a Mute option - ie. I = Intro, F=Fill, E=Ending, M=Mute. There is quite often stop time in songs or a particular section that requires no drums (ie. ending of verse 2, and it would be great to be able to ensure that for specific bars no drums are ever played. My work around for this at the moment is to play over those bars with nothing in the rythm tab and hope no drums get played, and then do not reset these specific bars - ie. leave them as brighter colour. This works but is a bit hit and miss.
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Hewitt Huntwork
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| AntonyR wrote: |
Also, another feature I would like to see is a Mute option - ie. I = Intro, F=Fill, E=Ending, M=Mute. |
This is a great idea! My work around is to make a "blank" measure in the rhythm tab, but why take up one of your patterns just to have silence? In fact, rather than a mute button, as suggested above, you could have a mute pattern. That way you wouldn't have to keep track of which rhythm you were muting (as would be the case if you made mute work like Fill, Intro, and Ending).
I think another good idea would be to make a button that would make it so that, in a given rhythm, only what you program would play. Rather than chasing the different sliders around to make sure no tom accents, snare accents, or rogue cymbal hits are going to creep in, maybe give us one button that sets them all to zero with a single click. If implemented the button should work only on the individual pattern (in case you want another section to be more ornate).
Here's another idea: how about a pattern before rhythm 0 that is a count in? Instead of programming one, it always right there, first pattern on the list, waiting to count you in?
Ok, that's all my ideas for now! 
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Ralph [RZ]
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Please define 'taming"a fill a bit more. Also, are we talking fills or snare/tom accents?
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gmon72
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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for me the taming idea came from an instance where I had a fill between a verse and a chorus and jamstix played a snare accents on the first beat.
While sometimes this may be wanted other times it is not.
Obviously its not a big deal to edit it out from the midi output, just would be a nice little option to have.
While I can use markers for the sections in Cubase, it would be helpful (for me at least) to see that represenation in the arrangement tab as well. |
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Ralph [RZ]
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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"Don't play snare or tom accent in the bar after a fill or intro"
Is that correct?
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gmon72
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| something like that work as an option. Or may have a dialog box where it defaults to 1 and the user can type in the number of bars should we want it more etc. |
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GregHolmes
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| gmon72 wrote: | | For my uses at least I think it would be useful to be able to block "sections" in the arrrangement tab for parts of songs like "verse", "chorus" or whatever you like. |
You can use the LiveLoops loop markers for this, even with LiveLoops turned OFF. Just click (in the LiveLoops row of the Arranger) on the first bar of your verse, then name the loop (e.g. VRS1) and give it a length. You don't have to give it a trigger key. This way, you are using LiveLoops to simply label the bars.
On the other hand, if you DO give the loop a trigger key, you can send that key from your host just before going to the verse, and Jamstix will play the loop (in sync). LiveLoops will be turned ON, of course (and VRS1 will repeat forever), so you can turn it off from your host once the host is in the verse, and/or jump to another LiveLoop. There are many ways to use LiveLoops. |
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gmon72
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Great. Thanks. I am guilty of glossing over live loops because I didn't think it would apply to me.
I am at work now and will try it tonight. Sounds exactly what I am looking for.
This plug-in is great. Really cool stuff. |
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Hewitt Huntwork
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Ralphy, what did you think of my ideas? 
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GregHolmes
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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If you mean:
| Quote: | | I think another good idea would be to make a button that would make it so that, in a given rhythm, only what you program would play. |
This sounds like a kind of "Jamstix Bypass", where you temporarily stop Jamstix from playing the rhythm and just use it as a sound module.
This could be achieved if more parameters were exposed in Jamstix. For example, you could switch Jamstix to "Manual Jam" then click the "Stop" button on the Jam page. Or, "Manual Jam" then click the "Treble Clef" on the Rhythm page to mute the pattern.
I'm sure that there are other ways to achieve the effect. That's why I'm voting to have ALL controls/buttons/sliders/knobs/switches in Jamstix made available as VST automation parameters.
Do I have any seconders? |
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Ralph [RZ]
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[quote="Hewitt Huntwork"] | AntonyR wrote: |
I think another good idea would be to make a button that would make it so that, in a given rhythm, only what you program would play. Rather than chasing the different sliders around to make sure no tom accents, snare accents, or rogue cymbal hits are going to creep in, maybe give us one button that sets them all to zero with a single click. If implemented the button should work only on the individual pattern (in case you want another section to be more ornate).
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Not sure about this one. It's only the accent sliders and the cymbal sliders you have to move left.
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Here's another idea: how about a pattern before rhythm 0 that is a count in? Instead of programming one, it always right there, first pattern on the list, waiting to count you in?
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Not sure I see the purpose (but I'm also a bit overworked=dense right now)
We do have a mute function for the arranger in the list to mute a bar regardless of the pattern.
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Hewitt Huntwork
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| GregHolmes wrote: | If you mean:
| Quote: | | I think another good idea would be to make a button that would make it so that, in a given rhythm, only what you program would play. |
This sounds like a kind of "Jamstix Bypass", where you temporarily stop Jamstix from playing the rhythm and just use it as a sound module.
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What I meant here, Greg, was that Jamstix would only make a sound where you've put a green square on the beat (be it kick, snare, hi-hat, etc), which I consider a bit different than just using Jamstix as a sound module.
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Hewitt Huntwork
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| Zauni wrote: | | Hewitt Huntwork wrote: | | AntonyR wrote: |
I think another good idea would be to make a button that would make it so that, in a given rhythm, only what you program would play. Rather than chasing the different sliders around to make sure no tom accents, snare accents, or rogue cymbal hits are going to creep in, maybe give us one button that sets them all to zero with a single click. If implemented the button should work only on the individual pattern (in case you want another section to be more ornate).
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Not sure about this one. It's only the accent sliders and the cymbal sliders you have to move left. |
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I was just suggsting that a function I will use in every song could be done in one click rather than 3. I hope I don't sound like a lazy slob! 
| Zauni wrote: | | Hewitt Huntwork wrote: |
Here's another idea: how about a pattern before rhythm 0 that is a count in? Instead of programming one, it always right there, first pattern on the list, waiting to count you in?
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Not sure I see the purpose (but I'm also a bit overworked=dense right now)
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I'm thinking in terms of using Jamstix for recording... I always program a count-in so I can come in on the one, but then the rhythm kicks in and I play with it instead of a click or metronome. I'm pretty sure this trick has been used by greater musicians than myself!  [/subtle, yet insufferable smart-assism].
Sorry to have caught you feeling overworked. I appreciate all that work! I know my suggestions are rudimentary (ouch, bad drum pun) but I considered all 3 (including the dedicated silent pattern in the arranger) to be the simplest way to perform 3 functions I use in all my programming. Others will probably disagree!
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AntonyR
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Good news that the mute option per bar in the arranger is on the list. This will be great to ensure that stop time does not get that drummer inside jamstix getting bored and hitting that snare!
BTW, how does this quote system work - I feel a little misquoted as I never wrote this.......
AntonyR wrote:
I think another good idea would be to make a button that would make it so that, in a given rhythm, only what you program would play. Rather than chasing the different sliders around to make sure no tom accents, snare accents, or rogue cymbal hits are going to creep in, maybe give us one button that sets them all to zero with a single click. If implemented the button should work only on the individual pattern (in case you want another section to be more ornate).
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