Rayzoon Technologies LLC

[dickidub]

If I have 10 parts in the song sheet I can't add anymore. If I try to add one after the last part I just get a blank line that I can do nothing with. If I try to add it before the last part it just overwrites the last part. I assume this is a bug, anyone else had it? I'm using Tracktion.

[Ralph [RZ]]

Looking into it...
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Rayzoon Technologies LLC
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[BitFlipper]

Just a question related to the number of parts...

Why the limit of 18 parts maximum? I realize most people won't need that many but you have to think that someone somewhere would need more. Is it a technical limitation or just an arbitrary limitation?

Also, I realize space is at a premium, but it would have been really nice if the part showed at which measure it started in the song (instead of just length and repetitions). Sometimes it is not clear at what measure you need to put the host to start play back at a certain part in Jamstix. Not hard to figure out with some trial and error but it would have been nice...

BitFlipper

[Ralph [RZ]]

18 parts seemed enough and spared us another scrollbar.

I found the 10 part bug and this will be fixed in the next hotfix.

You can see the startbar of a part by clicking on its name and then looking at the bar counter.
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[tdye]

From time to time I have done soundtracks for musical theatre. I had not used Jamstix for that, but had decided to give it a try. I'm not working on any major projects right now, but the 18 part limit will likely be a problem for me with theatrical scores. Any suggested work arounds, or hope for a scroll bar eventually?

[Ralph [RZ]]

We're customer-driven so if there's a need we will try to tend to it.
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[bvesco]

Here's my official vote for the scrollbar and more than 18 parts. I'm using JS2 to update drum tracks on some bluegrass (used JS1 originally) and I'll need more than 18 parts on pretty much every song if I want to name them to match the song accurately. I will easily work around it by just creating more repetitions but I would like it if I didn't have to do that.

[J van E]

Without repetitions it will get hard indeed to stay under 18 parts. Why don't you want to use repetitions? I mean, in real life a drummer spends most of his time repeating patterns...!
I suppose you know you can repeat a 1 bar part over and over and manually add fills to it (or better said: let the brain add fills where you want them). You can also make longer parts and copy the basic rhythm in each bar of that part or even make complex parts with a different rhythm in each bar and let that complete part repeat with automatic fills at repetitions and transitions PLUS 'manually' added fills where ever you want. There are lots of possibilities!

I think we (or at least I) have to sort of forget about the JS1 way of working and get used to the JS2 way of working. In another topic someone said he found JS2 more complicated than JS1, but I am 100% (no 200%!) sure that if you give both versions to a completely new user he will find JS2 A LOT (and I mean A LOT!) easier to work with!!!

[drjee]

I received JS1 through the last group buy and played around a little with it but found it very complicated, so that I said to myself: learning this now does not make sense, since the new version is around the corner. When I now got JS2 it actually proved to be a lot more intuitive (at least to my brain)

[fulvia]

[J van E]

[bvesco]

[quote="J van E"]Without repetitions it will get hard indeed to stay under 18 parts. Why don't you want to use repetitions? I mean, in real life a drummer spends most of his time repeating patterns...! [/quot]


I can work around it using repetitions, I just don't want to ultimately have to do that. It is not abnormal for our bluegrass numbers to have an intro, six verses, ten choruses, ten solo breaks, and an outro. Other than the intro and outro it is true that it would also be likely for each part to be eight bars long. Now, I could really just make the song have an intro, main, and outro part and repeat the main part 26 times. When I want to add a fill to the 3rd bar of the 5th solo though, there isn't an easy way to find that bar without playing the song at that point and trying to stop it right in that bar. If I could name the parts like this:

Intro A
Intro B
Verse 1
Break 1
Verse 2
Break 2
Chorus
Verse 3
Chorus
Break 3
Break 4
Verse 4
Break 5
Chorus
(and so on)

Then adding that fill is as easy as just clicking on the part and going to the third bar. That arrangement above could be made with just twelve repetitions of a "main" part, but that kind of defeats the purpose of named parts if your song is just one part repeated enough times to fill out the song.

[J van E]

I know what you mean. I do have to say an amount of 18 parts makes you immediately think about ways to get things done any other way. Which says enough and shouldn't be so, really... I'd also rather see an endless list where you can make as many parts as you want. I'd rather scroll up and down a lot than think of ways to repeat bars in parts that have to be repeated too. But it CAN be done, of course...

Come to think of it: a problem of this 18 part maximum is/might be that you have to think more about all this BEFORE you start working on a project. Quite often I just fool around and repeat stuff and copy it and only when the songs is almost done, I know what I want where. This won't work as good (I think) with JS2. But maybe you just have to get used to the idea. You can of course easily copy parts, repeat them or not, etc. etc. However, if you are sort of forced to use various patterns WITHIN on part (because of the limitation), it won't be very easy to change that later on... I mean, you would have to copy parts and delete certain bars, but you can't simply delete the first 8 bars of a 16 bars part... Phew, I'm making things complicated here...

Ah well, I've said it before: JS2 needs it's own way of thinking. It's a completely new program with a new approach, and I guess you just have to get used to it! And apart from that I think Ralph has a very open mind when it comes to the wishes of his customers, as he as proven over and over again in the past (and even already with JS2!)

[Ralph [RZ]]

I'll see what we can about the 18 part limit in a future update but I won't touch that code area until all the initial release bugs are fixed.
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[bvesco]

I think that sounds great, Ralph. JS2 is already wonderful and getting lots of hot fix love. Consider the elimination of 18 part limit to be a wish-list item on my part, and not a demand