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Jamstix Midi Sync

 
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michael519
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Jamstix Midi Sync Reply with quote

Hi-

I downloaded the demo of Jamstix version 1.5 and I am having some problems syncing it up with midi files.

I am using Windows XP Media Center 2002 Service Pack 2 with a Pentium D 2.8Ghz and 1 gb ram.

I have a Waveterminal 192X that includes drivers for ASIO, WDM, and MME.

I use n-track version 4.1.6 24 bit version build 2066.

I have a few basic midi files. When I use the standard Microsoft GS Wavetable for all the midi tracks, everything works fine. If I use the Roland VSC, everything works fine. But if I add Jamstix as a VSti, and use that for the drum track, I just can't get the other midi tracks to play at the same time.

I am using manual jam, and I have "Play Input" checked. I have also tried checking "Mute Brain"

For some reason, the Waveterminal ASIO driver does not work in n-track, though it works in other programs like Band-In-A-Box and Cubase SX3. If I try to load them in n-track, the program hangs and then terminates.

I have tried changing the buffering in n-track.

I might have done a few other things, but I don't remember at the moment. I have used several midi songs, just to ensure that it was not a problem with only one song.

Are there any other ideas I can try? I am very interested in getting this product, especially because so many people rave about it, but I want to make sure I have the proper equipment to get it to run.

Thanks-
Michael

PS: I promise that I spent about 2 days searching the forums here and in n-track for an answer before I posted this. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: Jamstix Midi Sync Reply with quote

michael519 wrote:
I have a few basic midi files. When I use the standard Microsoft GS Wavetable for all the midi tracks, everything works fine. If I use the Roland VSC, everything works fine. But if I add Jamstix as a VSti, and use that for the drum track, I just can't get the other midi tracks to play at the same time.

Can you elaborate a bit on that? Are you saying that if you play back drum MIDI clips via Jamstix the Jamstix sounds are delayed? Also, could you send me your rzdlog.txt file from the Jamstix demo folder to support[at]rayzoon.com?
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michael519
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent the rzdlog.txt file you requested. I also enclosed one of the midi files I was using, if that will be helpful.

There is an intro click in the midi file on the drum instrument track. If I use either the Microsofy GS Wavetable to play the midi file in n-track, everything (all of the instruments) plays together fine. If I use the Roland VSC softsynth to play the file back in n-track, again, everything sounds in sync.

When I insert Jamstix into n-track and play the file back, the drums do the click in, but they begin to play the song before the music comes in, and from that point, all of the other instruments are lagging behind.

I have tried to load Jamstix before the midi file and after, and as I said in my original post, I used the MME and WDM drivers, all to no avail. I need to explore with Flavio why the ASIO drivers are not working.

Well, I hope this helps. Let me know what else you need. I appreciate your assistance!


Michael
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted to let all those who follow this post what the resolution to my problem was.

But first, I MUST tell anyone who has never experienced the Rayzoon support - it was awesome! I am only a demo user, but the attention they gave to me and the help in getting me to solve my problem was first rate and a huge bonus to an already impressive product!!!!!

I originally thought the problem was with Jamstix, because my midi tracks played fine (cheesy, but accurate) using either the Microsoft GS Wavetable OR the Roland VSC-3 softsynth. When I added Jamstix to the midi drum track, it was out of sync (by about 1-2 beats).

I tried ASIO4ALL drivers rather than the on board Waveeterminal 192x ASIO drivers. I adjusted some settings, re-installed the Waveterminal drivers, reverted to an older version of the drivers. Nothing I tried worked.

I thought it might be an n-track issue, so I loaded up the same song in Cubase SX. Still the same problem.

Then, I had an idea. What if I used the Microsoft GS Wavetable as the output for the midi drum track, and the Roland VSC-3 as the output for all the other midi tracks? Well, when I did that, the drums were not in sync with the other instruments. I did the same test applying the VSC-3 to the drums and the Microsoft GS Wavetable to the other instruments.

Same problem!!!! So that ruled out an issue with Jamstix.

I did some more research online, and tried an alternative. Rather than use the softsynth's like VSC-3 and Microsoft GS Wavetable, I installed Edirol's Hyper Canvas VSTi.

Voila!!! Jamstix played perfectly with it.

I am not completely ruling out something to do with my Waveterminal card processing the softsynth's (though I tried every possible latency adjustment), but I guess the answer, which many of you already knew, was that those softsynths are just not very reliable. With the influx of so many VSTi's and DXi's, they are just not up to the same level.

I hope this might help someone else who has these issues.

Thank you again Rayzoon!!!

Michael
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