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pjl
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| bean_boy wrote: | | Any update on Jamstix for Monterey, M1 chips etc? Seems really quiet on here - so sad for such a fabulous product. Worried that the Mac users have simply left for Logic drummers... |
Yep, that’s what I’ve done. |
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chip_mcdonald
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Dewdman42 wrote: | | Any update on Jamstix for BigSur and Monterey? |
"Running" and "working" are 2 different things. It doesn't work, plays a few bars and actually runs down to a halt while glitching. |
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plectrum_boy
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| chip_mcdonald wrote: | | Dewdman42 wrote: | | Any update on Jamstix for BigSur and Monterey? |
"Running" and "working" are 2 different things. It doesn't work, plays a few bars and actually runs down to a halt while glitching. |
Okay, thanks for the update.
Steve. |
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Dewdman42
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Any update on Jamstix for Monterey (intel) ? |
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Nigo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Although I can fully understand the prioritization its sad having to say goodbye to jamstix on Mac.
The Logic Pro drummer works smoothly, but is no way near the performance and level of control that jamstix can offer. Even just version 1 or 2 of jamstix completely outperforms Logic drummer.
Only workaround I can see if your main daw is Logic is to do bootcamp (or run windows virtually perhaps?). Then load jamstix in reaper and once you’re happy export as midi/audio and import that in logic.
Don’t know if that’s a viable solution for the new apple silicon Mx machines… |
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Dewdman42
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| Another option if you have an old pc laying around is to run Vienna ensemble pro on the oc and host jamstix there. Not a cheap solution though |
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plectrum_boy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| Nigo wrote: | Although I can fully understand the prioritization its sad having to say goodbye to jamstix on Mac.
The Logic Pro drummer works smoothly, but is no way near the performance and level of control that jamstix can offer. Even just version 1 or 2 of jamstix completely outperforms Logic drummer.
Only workaround I can see if your main daw is Logic is to do bootcamp (or run windows virtually perhaps?). Then load jamstix in reaper and once you’re happy export as midi/audio and import that in logic.
Don’t know if that’s a viable solution for the new apple silicon Mx machines… |
I would love to see Jamstix 4 working on mac but if it’s not going to there are a number of alternatives - Superior Drummer 3 and Groove Agent 5 are both very capable and although they don’t offer the same degree of jamming functionality as Jamstix, Groove Agent 5 in particular can be played live and (certainly in Cubase) through some group channel routing this live jamming can be recorded in real time.
Steve. |
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Nigo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| plectrum_boy wrote: | | Nigo wrote: | Although I can fully understand the prioritization its sad having to say goodbye to jamstix on Mac.
The Logic Pro drummer works smoothly, but is no way near the performance and level of control that jamstix can offer. Even just version 1 or 2 of jamstix completely outperforms Logic drummer.
Only workaround I can see if your main daw is Logic is to do bootcamp (or run windows virtually perhaps?). Then load jamstix in reaper and once you’re happy export as midi/audio and import that in logic.
Don’t know if that’s a viable solution for the new apple silicon Mx machines… |
I would love to see Jamstix 4 working on mac but if it’s not going to there are a number of alternatives - Superior Drummer 3 and Groove Agent 5 are both very capable and although they don’t offer the same degree of jamming functionality as Jamstix, Groove Agent 5 in particular can be played live and (certainly in Cubase) through some group channel routing this live jamming can be recorded in real time.
Steve. |
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t SD just a large pre-defined collection of grooves and fills? To me the magic of jamstix is it’s ability to make a unique drum track fitted to the groove and feel of my song (rock n roll, sing a song writer etc… not EDM). I will see if groove agent is any fun in Logic. I really, really miss the detailed level of control jamstix is giving me. |
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pjl
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Dewdman42 wrote: | | Another option if you have an old pc laying around is to run Vienna ensemble pro on the oc and host jamstix there. Not a cheap solution though |
Wouldn't the cheaper option be to host it in Reaper? |
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Dewdman42
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For anyone interested, I have been able to use Jamstix on my Mac, by using a free tool called AudioGridder. Jamstix runs on a PC over the network. It actually works pretty well so far. So if you have a PC in your network, you can install Jamstix there, and use it through audiogridder over to your Mac.
Actually there is a good chance this would work also on windows running in a VM on the Mac too, but it will be some time before I can test that. That would use a bit more CPU, but would avoid a network hop.
Here's hoping Ralph can get Jamstix working on newer versions of macOS directly though. |
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pjl
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out. |
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Dewdman42
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So I tried setting up a Windows VM on my Monterey Mac. (Parallels). Installed Jamstix4 4.5 and Audiogridder beta9.
It works. Sorta. Still working through it. I can get the drum grooves playing in LogicPro, so that is good, but still figuring out how to make the remote GUI stuff work right.. It worked when I did it over network to a PC, but doing it now on VM...the GUI doesn't respond to mouse(unless you go into the actual VM to do so), and figuring out how to make Jamstix GUI the right size is a bit challenging, due to the way Parallels does something for Retina display...and Jamstix generally doesn't like that.. etc..
Anyway for those people absolutely desperate to get Jamstix working on their Mac, I think this will work, but still need to sort out some of the screen issues to make it truly seamless. Would be interesting if Ralph could take a closer look at this to figure out the best settings in Jamstix zoom, etc, or whatever else..
I had to set Jamstix GUI zoom to 200%. On the Parallels retina monitor this had the effect of causing the plugin window around Jamstix GUI to be 4x bigger then the GUI itself, but the only way to make it even close to readable. I think this is a combination of the fact I'm using a Retina display and how Parallels configures itself and the windows resolution settings to make it all work. The rest of windows looks perfect and beautiful, but Jamstix GUI is tiny, without 200% zoom. But that makes the frame around the plugin super huge.
Audiogridder actually brings the GUI into the Mac, using FFmpeg to do it, but it does not seem responsive in some way, which might be related to the resolution issues...When I was doing this over a network connection to an actual PC...didn't have these problems. Only with the VM. Its probably solvable, but I'm running out of ideas for exactly how to set things up so it will work right. I think Parallels has a scale mode where it would work, but no retina goodness in the windows VM..but might not matter for this use case.
Also, want to point out that the current beta version of Audiogridder seems to have some timing issues related to latency correction. You can disable the extra buffers in the Audiogridder connection, which eliminates the problem, but then you will get dropouts. This appears to be a bug in Audiogridder that will hopefully be fixed. |
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pjl
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| Dewdman42 wrote: | | For anyone interested, I have been able to use Jamstix on my Mac, by using a free tool called AudioGridder. |
Thanks, I got this running with an Intel NUC as a server and it seems to work well. However, Logic only lets me select a mono or stereo instance of the Audio Gridder plugin. I notice that the change notes for the 1.2𝛽 say that it should be able to handle multi-output instruments but I can't see an obvious way to do that.
All I get is the audio from Jamstix output 1 unless I use the "Downmix" button but, for serious use, I really need it to be multi-output.
Have you had any luck doing this? |
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pjl
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Ok, rebooted the mac and the rescan solved the problem I think. I can now see multi-output versions of audio gridder.
This is looking promising. Thanks for finding it for us. |
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Dewdman42
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| For some reason in LogicPro I'm only getting mono version of AudioGridder(ins) AUinst. No stereo. Tried reboot too already. |
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