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Dimwit
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Question - Can I do this? Reply with quote

Can I hand compose a core bar of a part using the bar editor and then have the brain compose the rest of the part based on what I created?

Here's what I tried to do.
I cleared the song and started with a verse which was 4 bars long and set for 2 repetitions.
Then on bar 1 which was listed as a core bar I hand-edited in a simple pattern.

How can I get JS2 to compose 'around' that simple pattern I created for the remaining seven bars of the part? I can't seem to figure out how to do this.
I selected a drummer and then hit compose and then play on my host, but it didn't do anything. In fact if I don't lock the core bar I created it erases my simple pattern.

Can it be done?
Now I know you can import midi patterns and have the Jamstix brain interpret that. Is that how I have to do my custom patterns?
Make a midi file first and then import that into JS2?

Thanks for any input.
This is a great program that could really make my day if it could do what I'm describing.
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Mark Blair
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great question -- and this ties in to my question under the Support forum ("seeding" JS2 with a groove). I'd really like to have the answer to this, too.

If there were a simple process to: 1) give JS2 a groove "concept" quickly and efficiently, and then 2) have JS2 formulate a "live" (dynamic) performance based upon that groove concept, that would be tremendously useful...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can I hand compose a core bar of a part using the bar editor and then have the brain compose the rest of the part based on what I created?


Yes, but before entering anything by hand, go to the menu in the Bar Editor and select ´Locking events -> Lock manually created events´. Don´t forget what the brain will compose it not exactly based on what you entered, but in the style you loaded. It simply won´t overwrite neither delete your manually entered cells.

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Here's what I tried to do.
I cleared the song and started with a verse which was 4 bars long and set for 2 repetitions.
Then on bar 1 which was listed as a core bar I hand-edited in a simple pattern.

How can I get JS2 to compose 'around' that simple pattern I created for the remaining seven bars of the part? I can't seem to figure out how to do this.
I selected a drummer and then hit compose and then play on my host, but it didn't do anything. In fact if I don't lock the core bar I created it erases my simple pattern.


Every bar in the first repetition will be a core bar. So you´ll have the length of the part core bars, but if you want all the core bars to have the same pattern, copy the first and paste to the others. You can do this right-clicking in the first bar (of the part) and select ´copy´. Then for the rest of the core bars, right-click over them and click ´paste´. It would be cool if there was an option like ´copy core bar 1 to all others´, but only important if you created parts with too many bars (not repetitions). For the last part, it won´t erase your simple pattern if you tell it to lock manually created events.

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Now I know you can import midi patterns and have the Jamstix brain interpret that. Is that how I have to do my custom patterns?
Make a midi file first and then import that into JS2?


Not necessary.

This is my understanding of how it works, I´ve been trying this myself, but I´m far from knowing all the details, and if you know something different from that, please let me know Smile .
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Dimwit
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh I think I have figured out how to do what I want.

What I did was save my simple pattern as a groove via the bar editor options. I named it 'testpattern' and it made a file like this : testpattern.js2

I then selected import from the style menu back over in the Song section. then I picked a drummer; Phil.
In the Groove section of the brain there was a selector bar with arrows. I clicked that till it said JS2 Groove, clicked the load file and then BAM there it was..testpattern.

The drummer Phil then proceeded to play around the basic part I had created. Adding his own touches based on his brain settings.

AWESOME!

This is a revolutionary product guys. I'm very impressed.
Thanks!
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Ralph [RZ]
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DimWit, I recommend you play with the following approach:

Hand-edit a basic groove you like in the bar editor and then save it via the bar editor menu as a groove. Now select the Import Style and choose your groove as the clip for the style. You can then now experiment with having different drummer models interpret your groove.

Another way is to hand-edit grooves with the locking on as Acabreira said and then choosing a style and disabling sections on (click on name of section and choose 'Mute') so the brain will only compose what you're interested.
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J van E
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I am mistaken, but locking things isn't necessary, depending on what you want of course. I always load the style Silent, otherwise the Brain may change my own manual made pattern into the style that is loaded. Then I make my pattern. If you do not lock anything the drummer will do it's thing following my own patterns: some drummers will follow it quite strictly, only adding accents and fills, oher drummers will tear the whole thing apart, but that can be great too. Locking will make the drummer follow your pattern more exact, which can be great if yuo want that, but it's not mandatory, as far as I can see.

I want a lot of control over my patterns, but I also like to hear what the drummer 'thinks' of it all. It's really like having a real drummer in your studio: you can tell him what you want and you can tell him how much he can make up himself. You can even let him do whatever he wants to see if it is something you can use. It's pretty cool! This can result in some pretty surprising variations!

BTW Don't forget you can simply drag and drop hits in the editor to copy or move notes, or to detele notes (drag an empy spot over a filled one). This saves you a lot of time because you won't have to go up and down to the 'golden window' all the time.
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