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Jamstix goes bananas with very long jams

 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:22 pm    Post subject: Jamstix goes bananas with very long jams Reply with quote

Dear support,

I have a very peculiar behaviour with Jamstix and long jams. First I thought this is just some random occurrence, but today it happened again and it is very consistent. Maybe it has something to do with my new external sound card, but maybe the problem lies within Jamstix itself.

With very long jams somewhere between 30 to 40 minutes Jamstix goes completely bananas. It is actually very funny what happens then, it is so weird that it is hard to describe. It starts creating silence gaps, leaving beats out, omitting sounds, going in overdrive on some sounds, too weird.

OK, who is going to jam more than 30 minutes straight.... well we did today during a single jam that took 40 minutes and 2 seconds, a new personal record! We had Jamstix running inside Cubase SL 2 in manual mode with a basic rhythm and recorded that whole jam excluding the midi notes Jamstix created (the latter was a mistake...). Somewhere around 35 minutes the described behaviour occurs, though the audio recording went on without a glitch.

It is very consists, e.g. the recorded session was done with a laptop and later transferred to a desktop running the same Cubase version plus the same external sound card. Again, from about 35 minutes Jamstix's juice runs out. Maybe it is my Focusrite Saffire LE sound card, maybe not.

I am running Jamstix 1.7 release version.

R, Lucky


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you've hit the 1000-bar limit of the arranger. Just look at the bar counter of Jamstix, once it goes past 999 things go haywire. This limit will be removed in Jamstix 2.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, that is indeed happening. Good to know that this is being removed, can't wait for Jamstix 2. While at it, you might consider the following scenario:

When we have a jam session with a few musicians, we usually start with somebody creating a groove or a chord progression on the spot. Then I quickly set Cubase to the right tempo of the groove / chord progression and load an appropriate rhythm in Jamstix acting in manual mode with fills every 8 bars and having Jamstix listen to the audio input velocity of the bass.

This all happens within a few minutes and of we go having a blast with Jamstix and the jam. What I sometimes miss during this jam is that I could press a foot switch and Jamstix goes in an alternative rhythm for some time, e.g. something like a combination between live jam and keyboard jam.

The key in this scenario is the speed at which I could select a basic rhythm and an alternative, as my fellow musicians always get very eager to start the jam, so I can't mess around too much assigning all sorts of stuff. Quickly search for an appropriate beat and one alternative and hit play, while Jamstix and my foot do the rest, e.g. fills, variations, audio velocity sensitiveness, midi control, timing variations, all the cool stuff that it has now.

So it is more a workflow issue as such, for a jam session that starts without any structure, just a basic groove and then goes with the flow.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucky wrote:
What I sometimes miss during this jam is that I could press a foot switch and Jamstix goes in an alternative rhythm for some time, e.g. something like a combination between live jam and keyboard jam.

This should be doable in JS2 with the new arranger and the ability to CC-assign many parameters as needed.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool! Thanks for all the info.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Jamstix goes bananas with very long jams Reply with quote

lucky wrote:
I have a very peculiar behaviour with Jamstix and long jams. .....With very long jams somewhere between 30 to 40 minutes Jamstix goes completely bananas. It is actually very funny.....

R, Lucky


Thanks for the clarification on this Ralph. I just thought Jamstix going bananas was part of the artificial intelligence you created for the program to behave like a real drummer.... Laughing Laughing Laughing

Drum roll please... Laughing Laughing Laughing

(Sorry guys, I know.. another bad drummer joke, but I couldn't help myself Mr. Green )
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